User talk:SJ Morg

Trolleybuses in North Korea
Could you please send a scan of the pages of the Trolleybus Magazine 246 artiel? I would like to see how it presents these cities.

It would be a reliable source, although it is odd that it labels it Kowon instead of Sudong (as the administrative divisions split in 1990), a system which can be confirmed through multiple sources.

The original list had some oddities with 'Kimkol '  and 'Markyn', which seem to be translation errors from Russian. Kimkol is probably Kumgol-dong in the Komdok mine region, in Tanchon, visible on satellite until the 2012 floods destroyed the system, but I can't understand what Markyn is. Yengwan and Kamdok are probably also from a Russian translation.

My doubts on Haeju are that the 2004 satellite image shows no traces of a line at all. Plausible turning loops are identified (east–west), but it's odd the trolleybus disappeared in 6 years, or even 2 years from 2002 to 2004 (although such did happen in Onsong County – 2 trolleybuses photographed in 1998; none in 2004 satellite image. But at least a line was visible). Generally, trolleybus systems are mothballed in North Korea, and not completely removed, as would be the case, apparently for Haeju. Huichon stood many years without a visible trolleybus, but it has been completely revived. So has Nampo, albeit still using the original Chollima 74 trolleybuses it started with.

Is this a trolleybus overhead? I believe that it is, but cybernk.net is inconsistent and it doesn't always say if a city had a trolleybus (Huichon did, and was in multiple photographs on that website, but was not mentioned on the website). Furthermore, that photo was taken in Yonsan County, which has a silver mine, and in the 1980s there was a Rodong Sinmun article called 'A large trolleybus runs in the silver mine', and there are only 3 known silver mines, the others which are Sangnong (mine opened later than article date) and Hyesan (which is doubtful). I've been through all the Rodong Sinmun article titles that mention a trolleybus or a tram, and haven't found anything else substantial.

Another county taken out of the list was Kapsan; it's also mentioned in another source, but the description of the line as a 3.9 km long means there is no plausible terminus.

A claim that I've seen once by a person who talked to the trolleybus factory was that 'in the Arduous March period (1992-7), 7 trolleybus systems opened, and even another tram line, which never started operation and was dismantled.' Unfortunately, they were not so willing to elaborate further.

I've also contacted another person who has been to North Korea multiple times; I asked about Yonsan, and they gave a dubious response that didn't say yes or no, but did say there are still 4 more trolleybus systems to be found (since then, Sinpyong, Sinhung have been found)

I'm really surprised that not a single photo exists of the streets of Tokchon. Along with some other people, I suspect there is a line in the city, but there's no solid proof. Gorden 2211 (talk) 08:49, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I do not have time to work on this currently. It's likely to be at least several weeks before I can reply, if at all. However, I will answer one question you asked, "Is this trolleybus overhead?" (with link to a photo): Yes, that definitely looks like trolleybus overhead wires to me. SJ Morg (talk) 10:15, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * After having obtained the three issues from another Wikipedia editor, I am not convinced. The authors should be praised for their in-depth research into a very poorly researched topic, but I feel that it isn't very reliable: the authors have on multiple occasions, in the magazine, stated that something might have existed. Then, a few pages later, the authors will say it closed, as if they were absolutely certain it existed in the first place. Their data on the supposed delivery of trolleybuses to Haeju is not clear and that particular batch of 10 "Chongnyonjonwi" trolleybuses ie. the Chollima-971 are only ever shown to have been presented in Pyongyang, not Haeju. Their map has a plausible eastern terminus but no western terminus. It would have be nice if it existed, but I doubt it did; I won't add it into the list because it is far too dubious.
 * I had tried to put a request on WP:RX for old Rodong Sinmun articles; it seems nobody can easily access it. Gorden 2211 (talk) 11:21, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Division Transit Project
Any plans to take photos of the Division Transit Project, construction and/or opening? Was wondering in case I should take on the task myself. --truflip99 (talk) 18:43, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * A year in now, I still have not taken any photos of the construction, unfortunately (it has been on my to-do list for months, but not a high priority). And I probably won't be taking any photos anytime soon, because unless there's a specific event (such as an opening, new type of vehicle arriving or entering service, or snow), I rarely take transit photos around the Portland area between about October and April. I encourage you to take some yourself, before the window for DTP construction photos closes. If I do end up taking some, I'll try to upload promptly, if (by then) there are still some types of views that are not represented by photos uploaded by you or others. – SJ Morg (talk) 10:36, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Harrison Tower Apartments article
I see you reverted some changes to the "Harrison Tower Apartments" article - not mine - but the article is somewhat defective.

Based on your comment on the article regarding notability for having once been the tallest building in Portland, I am going to assume the article is about the west tower (located at 255 SW Harrison) of the three-tower complex formerly known as the Portland Center Apartments.

1. The title of the article/building as given is incorrect. The 4th reference describes their previous name as the "Portland Center Apartments", linked with their construction in 1965. The article then documents the renaming of the "255" tower as "Harrison West", and the "111" tower as "Harrison East". 2. Using the title of "Harrison Tower Apartments" is additionally misleading as that is the current name of the south tower (222 SW Harrison), which is an apartment building - see reference #1.

3. "The tower was built as an apartment building, and remained so for many years after its 1965 completion, but was converted into condominiums between 2005 and 2008..."

This is well-supported by references 2, 3, 4

4. "and renamed from the Portland Center Apartments to the Harrison Condominiums"

Not supported; reference #4 gives the rename as "Harrison West". 2 and 3 also offer "Harrison West Condominium Tower" and "Harrison West Condominiums" respectively, however in both cases the "West" is included in the name to differentiate from the east tower at 111 SW Harrison.

5. "However, following a subsequent sale of the complex, the owners continued leasing the units as apartments"

Marked as reference #6, however reference #6 is about the south tower at 222 SW Harrison, not the west tower at 255 SW Harrison

6. "Eventually, the name was changed to reflect this usage, becoming the Harrison Tower Apartments"

Unreferenced, however since reference #6 refers to the sale of the 222/south tower to a corporate entity who has since been renting the units out as apartments, that south tower at 222 /is/ named Harrison Tower.

7. This also by the way makes the "General Information" block incorrect as it references the 222 address which is the south tower, and moots the need of references 1 and 6, which are both exclusively about the 222/south tower.

TLDR; article mixes up information about two different towers that were originally built as part of the same three-tower complex. 104.153.201.166 (talk) 18:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Your revert in Bethany – why?
Hi, I was very surprized to see your revert: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1129444307, and your explanation is even more surprizing. Can you please show the map which tells you something different (perhaps it's too obsolete?), and in case your map indeed shows Bethany is located not to the North of Oak Hills, then why did you undo the edit instead of correcting it in accordance with your understanding of correct location? 188.66.34.235 (talk) 15:56, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Do you respect at least talk page rules?
Excuse me, but since you not only didn't include my last message https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1132782573 in the archive and archived it before I even responded, but also removed the WP:ANI notice I left simply because I had to – are you actually aware or not that you do require editor's permission in order to remove a talk page message and you just can't do it at will (except for harmful/prohibited content) – as you can't revert or remove anything you (don't) like, presume and state you are more familiar with rules than another editor, or essentially accuse another editor of lying about you as you did in the course of my encounter with you?

As I said, lack of knowledge is one thing, but lack of respect to rules is something else – hence the question. 188.66.32.25 (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No, per WP:REMOVED, there's no rule prohibiting users from removing content from their own talk page. There is no merit to any of your wild claims and baseless criticism of me, as you have now been told by multiple other editors on the Noticeboard. Your continuing behavior – including threats to expose what you falsely allege to be policy violations by me – constitutes harassment, and I don't intend to even read, let alone archive, any more posts from you on my talk page (and there is no policy requiring me to do so, as I said). In 14 years here, I have archived all past posts to my talk page, including the relatively few that were critical of my editing; your defamatory accusations and aggressive harassment have forced me to make an exception in this case. SJ Morg (talk) 09:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Touché Restaurant & Bar
Hello! Touché Restaurant & Bar has been nominated for deletion. I'm not asking you to weigh in at AfD, but I am curious if you might have any interest in helping with the section about the building's historical significance. No worries if you're uninterested or have other priorities. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry but no. I don't mind your asking, and it was a reasonable question given my interest in historic buildings in Portland, but in this case I have not done any research on (or saved any articles about) this building, and I currently have almost no time for Wikipedia editing (and, as you surmised, I have other subjects that are higher priority for me). – SJ Morg (talk) 06:22, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries at all! Happy editing as you have time :) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:41, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Reverts
Hi again! I saw you reverted a couple of my recent image relocations. No worries at all. I've just noticed with the new skin that sometimes the left-aligned images sandwich the text or create white spaces. But, obviously, depends on a user's device, browser, settings, etc, and I want what's best for most viewers. No need to apologize for reverting, I just wanted to explain why I was updating so many pages. These things get sorted out over time. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a real challenge not knowing whether what one sees on his/her screen (re layout) might be vastly different from what some other users are seeing. Thanks very much for your comment.  I appreciate it.  SJ Morg (talk) 08:08, 15 June 2023 (UTC)