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Hi when working on Bios it is very important that they are written and also created with neutrality - the words used should not be WP:Weasel terms - I am sure Tom himself would have agreed on that. Also links for names of people (grandchildren) is over-doing it as well. I am sure you are enjoying doing the editing - it is just that there are conventions in relation to WP:MOS that have been broken. Please note the edits and understand what is required. Thanks SatuSuro 01:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * please see what edits the pope and hack have done to the article - please take note! - thanks!  SatuSuro 03:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help and advice. The prose was Weasily florid at times. You folk have done a good job editing this page. It is clear, informative, and interesting to read. The layout is well constructed and pleasing to the eye. I'm not too sure about the mossy conventions I have broken given this was a minor bio with disjunctive sentence structure and layout. I feel we have made a good fist out of what is too often a flat piece of wiki-bio cataloguing. I appreciate your feedback. Cheers --Saint Lucy (talk) 04:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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" The honour, Companion of the Order of Australia (AC), is the highest order of chivalry established on 14 February 1975 by Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia, to recognise Australian citizens and other persons for achievement or for meritorious service. "

Actually, that's not 100% accurate. AK/AD are still higher honours. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Have a look at Australian Honours Order of Precedence. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Victoria Cross (UK) ribbon.png|90px]] Victoria Cross for Australia VC
 * AUS Cross of Valour.png Cross of Valour CV (equal precedence to the Victoria Cross for Australia, but second in the order of wear)
 * [[Image:Order of the Garter UK ribbon.png|90px]] Knight/Lady of the Garter KG/LG
 * [[Image:Order of the Thistle UK ribbon.png|90px]] Knight/Lady of the Thistle KT/LT
 * Sovereign of the Order of Merit ribbon.svg Order of Merit OM
 * [[Image:OrderAustraliaRibbon.png|90px]] Knight/Dame of the Order of Australia AK/AD (Not awarded since 13 June 1983)
 * [[Image:Royal Victorian Order UK ribbon.png|90px]] Knight/Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order GCVO
 * [[Image:OrderAustraliaRibbon.png|90px]] Companion of the Order of Australia (Civil Division) AC Order of Australia (Military) ribbon.png (Military Division)


 * Thanks Pdfpdf. You are spot-on. Do you have any immediate suggestions? I'm still trying to think of the correct wording.Saint Lucy (talk) 13:54, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the reason that there hasn't been anything extra put there is because nobody can think of anything to say! ;-)
 * At the moment, no, I don't have any immediate suggestions. Like you, I'm still trying to think of the correct wording.
 * You may want to ask User talk:JackofOz - he's very experienced and knowledgeable on this topic.
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 02:20, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Very rough first-pass first-draft:
 * " The Order of Australia is the only Australian order of chivalry. It was established on 14 February 1975 by Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia, to recognise Australian citizens and other persons for achievement and/or for meritorious service. 'Companion of the Order of Australia' is the highest grade of this Order currently awarded."
 * Pdfpdf (talk) 10:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Remember: Free advice is worth what you pay for it.


 * Thank you. This reads well. I asked a couple of people to read it and they both gave the thumbs up. However I have changed 'and/or' to 'or both.' 
 * " The Order of Australia is the only Australian order of chivalry. It was established on 14 February 1975 by Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia, to recognise Australian citizens and other persons for achievement, meritorious service, or for both. 'Companion of the Order of Australia' is the highest grade of this Order currently awarded."Saint Lucy (talk) 13:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC) Remember: Free advice is something billionaires can't buy.


 * Goodness gracious! Imagine what we might have ended up with if I'd put some serious effort into it!!
 * Minor tweak. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

" The Order of Australia is the only Australian order of chivalry. It was established on 14 February 1975 by Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia, to recognise Australian citizens and other persons for achievement, meritorious service, or both. 'Companion of the Order of Australia' is the highest grade of this Order currently awarded."


 * P.S. I still think it might be a good idea to run it past User talk:JackofOz. He's a nice guy, polite, helpful, has a sense of humour, but most of all, puts a lot of effort into maintaining the page, so at a minimum, it is just good ettiquette to seek his opinion. If you are uncomfortable doing so, I'll do it for you. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Cheers to you too. Thanks for the heads-up. I've sent Jack the following message for his review:


 * Hi Jack - I would like to add the following preamble to 'List of Companions of the Order of Australia'. I have been adding this as a link to 'AC' and feel it would help explain the grade. By the way, it was written by Pdfpdf who corrected me when I posted an incorrect explanation. What do you think?


 * "The Order of Australia is the only Australian order of chivalry. It was established on 14 February 1975 by Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia, to recognise Australian citizens and other persons for achievement, meritorious service, or for both. 'Companion of the Order of Australia' is the highest grade of this Order currently awarded.Saint Lucy (talk) 14:23, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

"Sounds OK to me. --  Jack of Oz  [Talk]  18:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)"
 * Problem solved? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:19, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * (P.S. Good work, done well!)

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at ggs - try checking the spelling - and find a wp:cite sats 13:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Satu - I've added a reference to the original name for ggs. It's also the name recorded on the PSA trophies for the years won by ggs. I've added it as a succinct reference to the names of the schools which founded the PSA in WA. My apologies for not citing a reference to the original name. Hope this is ok. Saint Lucy (talk) 14:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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WP:MOS I am sure has something about not having ext links in the text - most of the list is pointing to external sources - if there is not an article about the person - it should be a link inside a reference - checkout WP:MOS sats 14:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand your point and the WP convention. However, I plan to write WP bios on each person and I'm using the current reference to help expedite these WP bios.Saint Lucy (talk) 15:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * sheesh thats a lot of bios - and aquinas list has the same problem. Dont forget WP:RS and cites whenever you start - as you do em make sure you eliminate ext links in the lists... good luck sats 15:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * yep, I have a lot of form letters and emails to write, and also hope to enlist the help of my historian partner who will look after notable West Australians from government schools. Thanks for your support.

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Will you please pay some attention to the Edit summaries I used when reverting your earlier changes, and learn to use them yourself. South Sea islanders are not Asian Australians. "Refused to" is tabloid nonsense. Please learn to be collaborative here. Sme of your changes are good, but they're packaged among repeated nonsense. Take your proposed changes to the article's Talk page, then we can discuss what's good and what's not. HiLo48 (talk) 11:54, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * HiLo - pls note the following:
 * 1. If you really believe an article on Asians cannot mention South Sea Islanders then you should remove any reference to Australians, white people and to anyone who is not Asian.
 * 2. Pls moderate your rants. I did not include the word "refused" - it was already in the article when I began editing.
 * 3. You have reverted the article back to include the following nonsensical sentence, "Later, entry taxes, killings and segregation in the short term and became the foundations of the White Australia policy.[4][5]"
 * 4. Any discussions involving the White Australia Policy requires a brief but broader context then the simplistic view that it was directed simply at Asians and Chinese. The White Australia Policy was accepted by successive governments on the basis of two principles. One, to protect the wages and conditions of Australian workers, and two, to protect non-white people from exploitation in Australia. The second principle is the key to understanding why it is important to mention the South Sea Islanders in context to the White Australia Policy, because the policy ended slavery in Australia, and anyone trying to make heads or tails about your discussion will be left to incorrectly conclude the White Australia Policy was prejudicial simply on the basis of hate towards Asians.Saint Lucy (talk) 09:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * You're in the wrong place. Take your concerns to White Australia policy. HiLo48 (talk) 10:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. However, it's disingenuous for you to tell me to raise my concerns on another page when my concerns deal with the subject matter on the Asian Australian page. The paragraphs I edited lacked a coherent and substantiated approach to the material. I admire and appreciate your passion for the material on the page and I accept your invitation to discuss and recommend changes via the article's Talk page. BTW, I am of Chinese descent and my Asian ancestry begins with the gold rush in Victoria and I have an interest to contribute purposefully to the page.Saint Lucy (talk) 12:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That's terrific. I think you will find that we're in furious agreement on the White Australia policy. I'm an Australian with Scottish ancestors who came here before the gold rush. I regard the White Australia policy as an appalling blight on our history. However, it's not our job to keep highlighting this beyond normal reporting on what happened. Clumsily bringing South Sea Islanders into an article on Asian Australians won't help. I actually struggle with the word "Asian" as it's so vaguely defined, and not globally consistent, but by no stretch of the definition can it include South Sea Islanders. BTW, have you come across the word Kanaka to refer to islanders brought to Australia to work in the sugar plantations? HiLo48 (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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Perth Modern School
Please stop edit warring, and also do not falsely accuse others of vandalism as you did to here. You are attempting to remove content that has been in the article for a while and is presumed to be relevant, so the onus is on you to achieve consensus for its removal, especially given that you are making the same types of edits for which an IP was blocked immediately prior. Take this to the talk page per WP:BRD. -- Kinu t/c 17:07, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * It is vandalism by a hundred chops, dumps & changes & I invite you to help rectify it. Please read the site prior to 2015 & compare it to today. I've been active on this site for a long time & have witnessed the site become increasing messy. In this instance, I sought to make 4-changes.
 * 1 restore the academic achievement table added nearly 10-years ago. Each year & with others, I have been updating the table. Someone did add some spurious columns & links which I believe to be the reasoning the entire table was removed. The spurious columns should be removed--not the table. fyi, in Western Australia the academic achievement table is common to wiki school sites. Examples:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_College,_Perth
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchlands_Senior_High_School
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynwood_Senior_High_School
 * There're heaps more if you wish to view an ever increasing list.
 * 2 revert the current page to the original format. The current page/reversion places Heads of school at the end of the article after Notable alumni which also breaks the format on Western Australian school sites. Refer above links for examples.
 * 3 remove politicking paragraph about a proposed policy that never eventuated to relocate the school. The proposal is no longer state government policy.
 * 4 a minor edit (i.e. change school colour text from "navy blue, gold and red" to "navy blue, gold & red" to improve current format which splits the colour boxes over 2-lines).
 * Are you able to assist? Saint Lucy (talk) 01:25, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

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