User talk:Sallycato

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December 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Smashed Gladys has been reverted. Your edit here to Smashed Gladys was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline. The external link(s) you added or changed (http://www.youtube.com/smashedgladys) is/are on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. If the external link you inserted or changed was to a media file (e.g. a sound or video file) on an external server, then note that linking to such files may be subject to Wikipedia's copyright policy, as well as other parts of our external links guideline. If the information you linked to is indeed in violation of copyright, then such information should not be linked to. Please consider using our upload facility to upload a suitable media file, or consider linking to the original. If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other, constructive, changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 03:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Your edits to Smashed Gladys
Please read the policy WP:OWN. You may own the band, but neither you nor anyone else "owns" the article.

Please also read WP:NLT. Wikipedia does not tollerate legal threats; if you make legal threats, you will be blocked from editing.

Please also read the policy WP:3RR Wikipedia does not allow edit warring on content even if you are right. If you have a content dispute, discuss the differences on the article talk page. —teb728 t c 06:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

[[Category:At this point all my edits are ignored anyway. What is the point of editing if one is not allowed to remove lies and disinforamtion. Is there something seriously wrong with you people. For example you sit that I have a third album. Tales from The east side. Do you know what that is? It is a collection of songs tapes there were stolen and are being sold illegally. Is there some reason why you allow only liars to submit information>]] [[Category:This makes no sense. You mean anyone can put anything up- accept the people that is is about. Like I can go on some other page and make a statement about them, but I can't go on a page about me and make a statement- I have to "discuss it" in an outside forum page? This makes sense to you? C'mon.]]


 * You believe that the article Smashed Gladys contains lies and disinformation. For all I can tell, you may be right. But the place where you should discuss this is the article's Talk page. You can edit that page in the same way that you edited the article itself; as there is currently no discussion at all there, you should start by clicking the "New section" tab at its top. Maproom (talk) 13:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

December 2012
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Your recent edits
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button or  located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 14:33, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Your messages to
You wrote on my user page
 * I would appreciate it you contact me right away. My name and product are being trashed by drive by editors. Please help.

It would have been better to write to me on my talk page - but never mind that, here I am.

And on my talk page
 * Okay so you won't allow youtube links, but you will allow the name of an illegal bootleg to be listed in my discography. How is that working for you. Smashed Gladys nevere made an album called tales from the eastside. It is a bootleg of our stolen demotapes and it is for sale on the internet and thank you for advertising it. (note the screaming sarcasm in the thank you) I am tired of your drive by comments and you should have the decency to contact me- and anyone else for that matter who wiki treats this way.

Wikipedia strongly discourages Youtube links. The article Smashed Gladys states (or did, until your latest edits) that Tales from the East Side is "unreleased". From what you say, this is true. I don't know what you mean by "drive by comments", I have tried to reply to respond to your complaints. And I am trying to contact you, by writing here. As I said above - if you believe there is misinformation in the Smashed Gladys article, you should point it out on the article's talk page. I see you have still not done so. Maproom (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In response to your more recent message on my user page: you have a Conflict of interest, and whoever added that information to the Smashed Gladys article does not, so far as I know. This means that you have less right to contribute to the page than they do. Please read Conflict of interest. Maproom (talk) 15:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

re: Smashed Gladys
Hello, this is in response to the message you left on my talk page. You brought up several issues in your message which I will try to deal with here:

1) You said "Who do you think you are? You know nothing about the history of this product and you have no right to edit it based on 'PUFFERY'."


 * Please read the Five Pillars upon which Wikipedia is built. In particular the line "Wikipedia is freely available licensed content that anyone can edit, use, modify, and distribute." Anyone can edit and modify any article as long as they are doing so following the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia.  You should also read up, as suggested by another editor, WP:OWN which basically states that you, nor anyone else, owns any article on Wikipedia and you do not have final say on any article in this encyclopedia.


 * Also, I removed the line "known for their great sound and outstanding image coupled with lead singer Sally's raspy voice" which is a clear violation of the neutral point of view policiy as well as violating the guidelines on puffery (please click on those links to read more about those topics).

2) "What a horrible small minded little person you are."


 * Please read the policy on no personal attacks. If you continue to make personal attacks against me and other editors you will get blocked from editing Wikipedia.  Instead, your interests are much, much better served by engaging all of us in a civil manner. You will find that we are eager to help new editors learn the ins-and-outs of editing Wikipedia which will also hopefully address whatever legitimate problems you may have with this article.

SQGibbon (talk) 16:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, again. I honestly appreciate your passion on this subject. The problem you are running in to is one that happens every day to editors all over the world which is not understanding how Wikipedia operates. It operates on consensus. Every policy and guideline came about through community consensus and we are all expected to follow those policies and guidelines when we edit. There are no "higher-ups" who can change policy, there is only community-built consensus that can do this. As of right now there is no process where you can prove your credentials and take ownership over an article. You can propose such an option to the community at large at the WP:VILLAGEPUMP but I assure you it will be rejected by just about everyone. Wikipedia remains an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Further, all edits must be verifiable to reliable sources. Wikipedia defines these terms in a very specific manner which may not be the same as you would, but that's how it is. Again, if you are going to edit then you must also conform to those policies and guidelines.

All that said, if you discover problems with the article like libelous statements or links to copyrighted/illegal material then those items can and should be removed from the article. I have personally never heard of this band and have no interest in it but what I do care deeply about is keeping Wikipedia clean and making sure that all its articles follow policy and guidelines. The edits of yours that I changed were clearly in violation of Wikipedia policies and guidelines (as outlined above). Several editors have left notes on your page pointing to various policies and guidelines, I suggest you read through them. I also suggest that if you want some help with the article you start with the talk page for Smashed Gladys or if there are not enough people involved there then ask me or other editors directly and we'll do what we can (given that we are all volunteers and don't necessarily have time to do everything asked of us). Good luck and let me know of any specific concerns you have about the article and how to go about improving it. SQGibbon (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Single account policy.
Hello Mrs. Cato. While skimming through the edit history, I came across edits made by User:Rockhistory80 made in May of 2011. The content of those edits, namely, the addition of "A personal note from Sally", seems to be exactly like your edits today. This leads me to believe that those accounts are one and the same. If this is the case, I strongly suggest you disclose the other account (state that you are the user of it) on your userpage and on Rockhistory's userpage. While multiple accounts are allowed, it is in your best interest to both disclose them and to not use them inappropriately, or you run this risk of facing big consequences. I hope you understand this message and take appropriate action. All the best, Buggie111 (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, your step by step procedure (assuming you want to use "Sally Cato" as your account from now on):


 * 1) Open this and.
 * 2) In the first link mentioned, add into the edit box.
 * 3) In the second link mentioned, add
 * 4) Save both pages.
 * If you want to use Rockhistory80:


 * 1) Open this and.
 * 2) In the first link mentioned, add into the edit box.
 * 3) In the second link mentioned, add into the edit box.
 * 4) Save both pages.
 * On an unrelated note, you only have to sign your edits on Talk pages and Usertalk pages, not regular articles. Also, please sign using ~ and not by manually inputting your name and the time. Using the tildes allows automated archive systems on Wikipedia to "read" your edit and archive it after a period of time. Hope these instructions help, Buggie111 (talk) 22:43, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * On how to cite articles, simply add in, filling in each field (i.e. accessdate would be 2 December 2012). Hope this helps. Buggie111 (talk) 04:02, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

In reply to your posts on my talk page
Hello Sally, I am replying to your posts on my talk page. I am sorry I have not replied sooner, but I have not been logged in for the last 16 hours or so.

I am not a drive-by editor: I began by leaving you a long reply to your question at Help desk, where I explained how to respond to messages. If you had read it and followed its advice, you would have had less trouble communicating with other editors.

Wikipedia is eager to correct misinformation and remove copyright violations. The only reason your initial edit to Smashed Gladys was deleted was that you introduced a link to YouTube. If you had not introduced that link, your edit probably would have stood. Your next two edits were deleted because you added an unencyclopedic personal message claiming you had a right to approve content of the article. As other editors have told you here, the place to discuss content disputes is on the talk page, Talk:Smashed Gladys.

If you abandon your personal attacks and try to work within Wikipedia’s policies and guidelines, you will find people here to be quite helpful, and I believe you will be satisfied with the result. —teb728 t c 03:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Fascinating
I wanted to let you know that, despite the detailed criticism I made of the Sally Cato article, what I have learned today about you and Smashed Gladys is pretty interesting. Between reading the Glitzine interview and hearing the band on YouTube, I've become convinced that Smashed Gladys can and should reunite.

I was horrified to read that your band demos were stolen and bootlegged as the "unreleased" "third album". I believe it's only the work an artist CHOOSES to release during his/her years of activity that should be evaluated. To be betrayed on that level, and not to even receive any money for it? I don't know how you ever get past that, if you even do. We're lucky if you're not out there slaughtering people and drinking their blood.

You HAVE gotten a point or two across here. That the real Smashed Gladys is available on your YouTube channel, and isn't on the East Side Whatever album. The bootleg album is not listed in the article anymore. If you really want to correct history in a big way -- you can't do it all yourself, and you can't do it 100% online, either. I think you have to somehow organize all your fans, and recruit new fans, so that there's a demand for the truth. The best way to do that, obviously, is to reincarnate Smashed Gladys.

You're the one member that people will accept AS Smashed Gladys, even if none of the other members wish to reunite with you, if you have to recruit all-new musicians. As the main songwriter, I believe you're ethically okay to do it.

I saw a website discussing "The Hottest Women in Music", and somebody said (you can Google this): "I'd also like to add Sally Cato, of Smashed Gladys, but that is one difficult picture to find."

The only way you're really gonna be able to fix it is to get yourself and the band together, somehow, create new material, and play again. Even if you weigh 300 pounds right now, you could start today. As somebody who didn't even get half as far as you did in the industry, I'm saying you're a fool not to do it. You could have real stardom and big money still ahead of you!

Meanwhile, I felt a little bad after making such a big criticism of the Sally Cato article (although I meant what I said!), so I put in some work fixing up the Smashed Gladys article. Removing nothing, just trying to make it a clearer, better article.

Best wishes,

--Ben Culture (talk) 03:22, 24 January 2013 (UTC)