User talk:Sedaray

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I was sent this file by Phyllis's daughter who scanned it from personal photos - Phyllis died. It was shot in 1951, photographer dead. This is what her Mom wanted put up. I said that when I uploaded it.

And how do it upload to Articles for creation/Phyllis Krasilovsky when it "doesn't exist" as an article? The family also sent me a book cover but the upload wizard won't let me upload because "the article doesn't exist" - catch-22!Sedaray (talk) 02:37, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Help me!
Phyllis_Krasilovsky.jpg

Given to me by Krasilovsky family with permission for this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Phyllis_Krasilovsky Your wizard says it's an orphan but it's not, it's been commented out. But I have permission - her daughter scanned it and sent it with instructions to use this instead of the recent picture we had. Phyllis is dead, the photographer is dead, the photo is from 1951 headshot. What do I do?

And they sent a book cover but the uploader says the article does not exist - it does, but hasn't been approved yet.

Sedaray (talk) 02:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * See Contact us/Photo submission answers your question regarding the permission. Bjelleklang -  talk 08:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Phyllis Krasilovsky (March 10)
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I'm confused. My article was rejected because she wasn't famous enough. Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Phyllis_Krasilovsky The New York Times wrote an obit, she wrote at least 20 books, international awards, I also found a Ladies' Home Journal on Archive.org with 3 articles featuring her which I have added. How could that make her less famous than the illustrators of her books which I found? (who did not get NYT obits). She seems pretty famous to me. Related to this, I can't seem to get a picture up - catch-22 the wizard wants an article name, but since the article isn't approved, the wizard won't let me put the picture up. I didn't have this problem before. One photo was an outtake of the LHJ magazine shoot above, another is a personal photo from the family, but without an article name the wizard won't take it. Is the lack of the photo the reason the article isn't accepted? Sedaray (talk) 09:54, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The submission was declined because its references did not adequately indicate notability of its subject. Unfortunately, in my opinion the sheer quantity of guidelines on what constitutes notability is grossly excessive, and I think it would be a great improvement to simplify the whole issue and reduce it to about 5% of its current extent, but the most relevant guideline sections in this case are the general notability guideline and the guideline on creative professionals. If you read those, you will see that Wikipedia's concept of "notability" is not entirely the same as being "famous". However, the issue was not so much whether Phyllis Krasilovsky was notable enough to be the subject of an article, but whether your references showed that she was, and, having checked them, I have to agree that they didn't. I have added a couple more references, and done a little cleaning up of the article. In my opinion, it now just about has enough evidence of notability, though more would help, so I have accepted the submission. Uploading images can be a bewildering and frustrating experience if you are not used to it, with various possible pitfalls. I suggest that you try again, now that there is an article at Phyllis Krasilovsky. If you still have difficulties, feel welcome to contact me on my talk page, and I will try to help if I can. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:42, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the orphaned file "Phyllis Krasilovsky" - this is a b&w headshot I would like to use in the Wiki article "Phyllis Krasilovsky". I have a pdf letter from Meredith Publishing of 'no objection' (their term) to using an outtake from "Ladies Home Journal" Mar 1951, p188 -"How America Lives: hair do's and don'ts", photographer unknown. The photo in question has been framed on the office wall of her husband William M. Krasilovsky since that time. Phyllis died recently and I would like to upload the photo, maybe under the category of 'historical photo of a dead person for the purpose of identification in a Wiki article'. I don't know how to up upload a pdf for proof. I found the magazine full issue in archive.org so it may be in commons, but this photo is an unpublished outtake. This is the email from Meredith Publishing with the letter attached:

"I was unable to determine who the photographer of the photo is. Attached you will find the permission letter for the material you requested. you're free to post the image on the website. Please let me know if you have any questions or need anything else.

Thank you. Vivian

Vivian Santangelo, Copyrights and Contracts Meredith Corporation – Reuse and Permissions (Redacted) " Sedaray (talk) 07:21, 4 April 2014 (UTC)Sedaray
 * Now I am not sure that you want to re-upload the file File:Phyllis Krasilovsky.jpg, or if you are talking about a different image. If File:Phyllis Krasilovsky.jpg is the image you wish to use, you will have to get the copyright holder (presumably a member of the family, as the image appears to be a work for hire) to send a permission email to the OTRS team using the instructions at WP:consent. That's because an image that's never been published before does not qualify for fair use. However, the above remarks indicated that you wish to upload instead an image that appeared in the Ladies Home Journal in March 1951. The procedure would be different in that case, since the image was previously published and qualifies for fair use. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:28, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/William M. Krasilovsky/dump later


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Your draft article, Draft:William M. Krasilovsky


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Your draft article, Draft:William M. Krasilovsky


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October 2017
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Let Them Eat Cake, from its old location at User:Sedaray/sandbox/Let Them Eat Cake. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. KGirl (Wanna chat?) 11:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Let Them Eat Cake (October 16)
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DAB page fixes
I had to reach back into the history quite a ways to repair Let them eat cake (disambiguation). Your instincts about adding the disambiguator were correct, if there were an article for the documentary. I think it just looks redundant, but I can understand the reasoning at MOS:DABPIPE.  &mdash; jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  07:51, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I am working on Draft:Let Them Eat Cake, but I need help to rename the page Let Them Eat Cake (film) so it's clear - or (video) or (documentary) or my favorite (documentary film) whichever seems appropriate. I hope I signed this right Sedaray (talk) 08:13, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Signing looked almost okay, remember to indent, and you should prefer to use wikilinks rather than full URL links. I hope my cleanups are welcome.


 * As I said on IRC, there's no need for you to rename (move) the page to include the disambiguator. Adding the disambiguator (the word or words in parentheses at the end of the title of the article) is the responsibility of the reviewer who accepts the draft. Focus on references to establish notability. That's what matters most.  &mdash; jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  08:35, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

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MfD nomination of Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (movie)
Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (movie), a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (movie) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (movie) during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.  &mdash; jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  15:42, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Here's the followup to the discussion taking place at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (movie).


 * The db-author page displays a deletion notice at the top as an example, not because the template itself is to be deleted.
 * As we discussed before, the accepting reviewer of Draft:Let Them Eat Cake will decide what the final name of the article will be, including supplying an appropriate "(film)" or "(documentary film)" or whatever parenthetical disambiguator is needed. You are not helping the process by trying to offer "(movie)" as a suggestion and the creation of Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (movie) was botched by copying the rendered text instead of the source text. One way to clean this up would have been to delete the botched page (which is what my nomination was intended to start the process on). As the only contributor to the page (my template message doesn't count), you can still request deletion as the author by placing at the top of the page or something similar – and that would be my first preference for what you should do.
 * Repeating parameters in infoboxes has the effect of erasing previous values of the parameter, so your multiple use of producer= was leaving you with only the last-named producer. There's a template named hlist that is the normal way to achieve what you were trying to do. But make the changes on Draft:Let Them Eat Cake, please.
 * Once the MfD discussion closes, and if you haven't requested deletion, I was proposing to replace the content of Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (movie) with a redirect to Draft:Let Them Eat Cake. This is the lower-impact version of cleaning up the current situation that SmokeyJoe was recommending.


 * So, in conclusion, you do not need to do anything about this situation at all, but if you want to have the busted page deleted, I'm all in favor. Meanwhile, all this fuss has distracted us from the process of bringing Draft:Let Them Eat Cake up to the standard of notability and referencing that would get it accepted as an article.  &mdash; jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  04:39, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!!! Sedaray (talk) 05:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The deletion discussion has been closed. Sedaray, sorry for the bureaucratic flailing. your positive attitude has been refreshing here; I wish more of us editors were like you. VQuakr (talk) 01:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Let Them Eat Cake (November 28)
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 T K K ! bark with me! 13:55, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Let Them Eat Cake concern
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Your draft article, Draft:Let Them Eat Cake


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! CptViraj (📧) 12:57, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

what is "db-afc, db-draft, or db-g13 code"?
You said to continue to edit my rejected submission I should remove the db-afc, db-draft, or db-g13 code, but I don't see those terms anywhere on the page.

When I type these terms into this letter with the brackets I get the big pink boxes with wiki comments. But below those afc codes in the submission are instructions "do not remove this line". I took a chance and removed them, hoping to get my draft back for more work.

Thank you. Sedaray (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Let Them Eat Cake


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AfC notification: Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (2014 film) has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (2014 film). Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 22:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Let Them Eat Cake (2014 film) (April 22)
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JMHamo (talk) 14:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (2014 film)


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 20:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Sedaray, I have restored the draft based on your request at Requests for Undeletion. If you have an external connection with the film, the filmmakers, or their family, on whom you have written articles or drafts, you have a WP:Conflict of interest and will have to disclose the same. See WP:DISCLOSE for details, or you can message me if you require help. Thanks. Jay  💬 07:06, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Let Them Eat Cake (2014 film)


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