User talk:Sergecross73/Archive 63

"Nu punk"
Beat my AfD by a few seconds.  danny music editor  oops 19:06, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Haha, we were both on top of it. I just didn't want to waste the communities time on such a blatant hoax (and probably attempt to promote a non-notable band.) Sergecross73   msg me  19:08, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, no doubt about that. Funny thing is that account was devoid of videos.  danny music editor  oops 19:12, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow, that is weird. I just assumed by the placement of the ref, the redlink of the band, and the Youtube links as the only ref, that they were just pushing that band with a YT video. Sergecross73   msg me  19:30, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

GPG
If you're interested in indeffing this "fool", here's the SPI while we wait for CU for sleepers. It is painfully obvious. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  13:33, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up on that. The way he acted made me think that it wasn't a new account (first act was to make pointless edits to his userpage to become autoconfirmed, jumped straight into editing band timelines, which has a lot of programming/formatting stuff a newbie wouldn't know about, etc.) but I wasn't aware of that account, so I was just kind of keeping an eye on him until he inevitably did something full-on block-worthy. An indef looks imminent either way (your SPI argument makes sense.) Sergecross73   msg me  13:38, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I want to discuss about your undo of my edit on the "Nintendo franchises" template.
So, I saw that you removed a franchise I added (Shin Onigashima) to the "Nintendo franchises" template. In your statement of removing it, it says "Lets not bloat this template out with every single tiny instance of a couple loosely connected games.". While I do somewhat understand your point, my reason for adding it is not because it is a part of a series of otherwise unreleated games, but because it had a prequel game released on the Super Famicom called "Heisei Shin Onigashima". A couple of franchises that only had 2 games maximum (Such as Sin & Punishment and Another Code/Trace Memory) were listed even before I added others to the list, so I saw no reason not to add it.

Also, I only stated that I WOULD'VE added Famicom Fairytales if it had its own page, and even if it did have its own page, there are still Touch Generations and bit Generations/Art Style, both of which are also listed despite containing games that have little-to-no relation to each other other than having a somewhat similar theme.

Hope you understand. TurtleLover99Wikipedia (talk) 18:39, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * - I understand, I just don't particularly agree. These franchise templates should focus more on actual, prominent franchises (Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, etc) and not all these hodgepodge collections of obscure titles that no one really every calls a "franchise". If the grouping of titles doesn't even have a collective name, it's almost certainly not a real franchise. Sergecross73   msg me  18:45, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * - Okay, I understand your point.
 * If I can be honest, though, I think the template itself needs a name change. I actually like it when an obscure series gets listed in a "List of X franchises" template because it somewhat boosts its notability, but the problem is that calling these series "Franchises" is a little bit of a stretch, so a name change is what I would go with. Of course, we would still need some inclusion rules to not have it even more overly bloated (Such as "No IPs that only had one game" or "No UPs based on existing non-game franchises or IPs"), but I hope my idea helps. TurtleLover99Wikipedia (talk) 18:56, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, there a number of these "franchise" type templates - there's one for Sega, Konami, etc - so people may want to keep a sense of uniformity between them. So such a change could affect a lot of Wikipedia. You may want to start a discussion at WT:VG - which is a central place to discuss video game related issue on Wikipedia. You could always poll them and see what their feedback is. Sergecross73   msg me  19:19, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Internet Informant
FWIW, I previously opened a case regarding this editor at AIV, specifically because they'd claimed they were going to stay away from making category edits, then not only resumed doing so but resumed doing so with little evident regard for the warnings they'd accumulated. My case expired without action, but I can pull a diff for it if you feel you need it for any reason. I was hoping to avoid needing to escalate it to ANI. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 17:01, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * - Thanks for saying something. And I totally get it, I usually advise people to stay away from ANI when they can - that place can really be a roll of the dice sometimes when it comes to getting a helpful response. Anyways, yeah, I can see how AIV would ignore it - it's less vandalism and more disruptive/unsourced additions. I was trying to go easy on him, since he responded at one point saying he'd stop. But he hasn't. I've given him a final warning. Let me know if you see him continue doing it. Thanks. Sergecross73   msg me  17:07, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Will do Serge; thanks! DonIago (talk) 17:35, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I’ve just blocked them for continued disruptive category editing. They just wouldn’t stop and they’d had enough warnings. Canterbury Tail talk 11:36, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/EZ Come EZ Go (MC Mack song)
I once helped improve an article in English Wiki about a Brazilian children's book, which turned out to be of interest to an admin on Portuguese Wiki. Once this AFD has run its course, I think I might just tell him of the findings on English Wiki, and suggest that he might perhaps like to take a look at pt:MC Mack and pt:Chapters Of Tha Mack For Life, and at pt:Usuário(a) Discussão:Leonardo.G G and Leonardo.G G's contributions... Narky Blert (talk) 18:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * - Yeah, I think thats a good idea. If you or anyone else has connections to the PT Wikipedia, it'd be good to alert them. The same article Leonardo.G G created that got deleted here on the English Wikpedia has been created over there as well, complete with the same sort of hoax references that don't verify any content (using a 2018 Billboard chart to source a 2000 album release.) He appears to be doing the same thing over there as he was here. Sergecross73   msg me  12:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I had found the shadow in English Wiki of that album. Meanwhile, this heads-up on Leonardo.G G in Portuguese Wiki. Narky Blert (talk) 22:45, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And, oops! pt:Wikipédia:Páginas para eliminar/MC Mack Narky Blert (talk) 01:20, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice. Hopefully it leads to a delete conclusion there too. Thanks for saying something over there. Sergecross73   msg me  02:36, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * - FYI, be on the lookout for Leonardo socks as well. I just blocked as a sockpuppet. The accounts first act of business was to write up a terrible draft on MC Mack again. He also spoke in the same broken English as Leonardo. On that note, this edit was particularly interesting - it appears he was translating our entire conversation into Portuguese, and this time accidentally hit save. It kind of looks like he's machine translating his English edits? Which would explain their barely coherent sentences.  Sergecross73   msg me  12:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up - will do. I've several times found Portuguese Wiki useful; their editors seem to be doing a good job on this case. I've just alerted the admin I know there to your block on McG CJ. Narky Blert (talk) 12:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Recent Edit - May 2018
Hi. Not gonna spout out annoyances on reverting my edit on Sonic Adventure - I understand the reason, and respect it. I just want to let you know, I have some concerns over what is written in it. I was trying to redo it to rectify those issues, but now I gonna voice them on the article's talk page. I just have some concerns over parts that don't provide clear indication on certain elements in the plot - in one part, there an actual inaccuracy between what is written and what actually occurs in the game's plot. Anyway, feel free to join in on the discussion. GUtt01 (talk) 19:14, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've commented there. Sergecross73   msg me  20:31, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Block evasion by Patricia CV
Hi Sergecross, referring this to you because Ad Orientem is on vacation. It looks very much like Patricia CV is block evading user the account "Amber Silver". Same topics—Bridgit Mendler, Bella Thorne, Radio Disney Music Awards, Brazilian song articles—and a very similar editing style/edit summary tone.  Ss  112   14:49, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Eh, edit warring over pop music genre and not using an edit summary 90% of a time isn't really enough to make a case for WP:DUCK. You'll probably want to take this to WP:SPI or something. Sergecross73   msg me  15:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Those aren't the only reasons. Frequentic the same topics and making the same type of edits Patricia CV did is how I know. This is very much the way Patricia CV speaks. They've now written back in edit summaries and on my talk page and it's the way Patricia CV spoke. If I go to SPI, it'll take weeks to go through.  Ss  112   15:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Move help
Hi hi! Do you think you could help me move Maya Fey (character) to Maya Fey? The disambiguation is unnecessary and the latter is a redirect, so it should be an uncontroversial move. The talk page shouldn't be moved, as the latter page's tp has been used for discussion while the former's hasn't.--Alexandra IDVtalk 20:32, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. Done. Feel free to always ask for move help, no problem. Sergecross73   msg me  20:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Alexandra IDVtalk 20:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

But seriously...
Fuck. (LTA's don't earn civility). Thanks for defending my userpage...I'm surprised to see that you must have it watchlisted. And fuck Slayer's Antichrist asses too.  danny music editor  oops 15:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know what that guy's deal is, but he's ridiculous. I mean, how much more obvious can you be than making the same (completely illogical) change to someone's user page with two different accounts?. Let me know if you see any more of his socks, and I'll look into it. The guy can't even string together a coherent response to a question, so he's usually pretty easy to justify a WP:DUCK block. (I actually don't have your user page watchlisted, I just was searching through the edits of that sock because I saw they were making a lot of bad edits, and stumbled upon it. I also frequently check page histories of...everything, and happened to see that another account had made the same change. Also, I have no love for Slayer either.) Sergecross73   msg me  17:05, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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Harv refs
Do you have any experience using these ref formats? I tried to for a Rough Guide reference on Deftones, but it seems I've done it improperly and I don't know what I'm doing wrong.  danny music editor  oops 18:38, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you're asking mister bare URL over here, I don't know much of any the source formats. I'm your guy when it comes to source reliability (still working through revamping WP:RSMUSIC off and on). I can't be of much help here though. :) Sergecross73   msg me  19:16, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The book's author takes precedence over the editor when generating the citation's id when using harv. You should use with harv in cite book or  with ref (the same unnamed parameters provided in ) in . —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 19:28, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Issues with copyright strikes
User:Diannaa seems to follow me and remove content because of copyright violation. I'm not sure why, wouldn't it be better to edit it and see if it can be modified, rather than removing the actual content? It just doesn't make sense to me to block someone just for trying to make articles better. There's no warning or help on how to avoid it. the content i add is removed, and i get threatened to being blocked. Is there something I'm doing wrong? I'm not the best in transforming into my own words, but isn't this a little overboard.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 10:37, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The article i was working on was Lumines: Electronic Symphony. Maybe you could take a look and see if the info i used can be salvaged. Every time this happens, its turning me off from editing because it can literally happen at any time.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 10:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a pretty black and white case. You cannot copy and paste full copyrighted text into Wikipedia. You have to rewrite it in your own words. It's not someone else's job to do it for you, and copyrighted material MUST be removed for legal reasons. -- ferret (talk) 13:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Wikipedia is more strict about copyright than many websites on the internet these days. There's no real way around it - you can't publish stuff like that on Wikipedia, even if you're working on it. Additionally, I would say that Diannaa is probably the most knowledgeable editor I've ever come across on Wikipedia, so I'd believe her when she tells you stuff. She knows. Sergecross73   msg me  14:56, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the biggest problem i have is that when it comes to this subject, it either is copyright material, or it isn't. Even though the majority of the time we're using copyright material to add it in Wikipedia. And no one is telling me where the line is.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 01:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There's sources with a lot of information in Lumines Electronic Symphony, could i get assistance to see how you would handle copyright material?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 01:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a very obvious line. You cannot directly copy content from another external website and paste it on Wikipedia. You have to read the source, then type up what it conveys in your own words. The moment you copy and paste even one unchanged sentence or only a word or two changed it is WP:COPYVIO. -- ferret (talk) 01:51, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You can still use a full sentence in most occasions, but only in quotations, and even then only when a quotation is appropriate. Just saying, you can, but remember to quote it and don't do it excessively.  danny music editor  oops 02:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd still like some assistance on Lumines: Electronic Symphony on this one, the developer for this game has a very "fluid" way of speaking, that i find personally difficult to interpret. And I'd like to see how someone tackles this particular one.. Its something i dont feel comfortable handling at the moment but would feel more confident if someone could take a look and see how they use the same info and put it in their own words. I am however, asking Sergecross. I'll respect his decision. Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 02:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a thought - this "fluid" way of speaking may be why people don't want to work on this article??? I don't know. I'd help a guy out but I don't do video games well. Sorry.  danny music editor  oops 02:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I haven't been editing long, i dont know if thats the main reason why. But if it is, i definitely would like to see how someone would tackle some of the words the developers have said. Although it is video games, its mostly just development information that i'm having trouble. ONe of the reasons why i avoid music articles is because sometimes writers have the same fluid words. If you want to take a look at the gamasutra sources, you're welcome to. I'm still a newb at the moment.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 02:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it and help you with it tomorrow. Sergecross73   msg me  02:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I appreciate the help. I'll also work on improving on skills on wikipedia.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. There really are a lot of things to learn before you can fully contribute to Wikipedia, and it can take a while to learn them all. As I've said to others before, I'm happy to help as long as people have the right attitude. (Nice and open to learning, not disrespectful and sassy to me.) Sergecross73   msg me  02:48, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

An example
Okay, so looking things over, yes, as Dianna states, your addition was too alike the source itself to be used like that. She correctly identified it as a WP:COPYVIO issue. I'm not lecturing or chewing you out, I'm just trying to give it to you straight: It's a bad idea to start with the exact text from the source, and then change it. You've got to take it to either extreme - either completely write it from scratch, or (sparingly) use direct quotes.
 * Let's say we're trying to paraphrase some of the content from the top part of this source which I see was one of sources you were trying to use in your edits there.
 * 1) The first approach would be the write something up in your own words. Read it over once or twice, and then pretend your explaining it to someone who doesn't really know much about video games in real life, in your own words. Personally, many of my friends/family in real life are rather casual video game fans, so I just pretend like I'm talking to them when I write on Wikipedia. Perhaps you know some people like this yourself? Pretend you're explaining the source to them. Hit some of the same points, but say it in your own way. Something like:
 * The development of Lumines hit a number of early roadblocks. The company's prior game, Child of Eden, had a troubled and prolonged development period, bogging down the company's production resources. Additionally, the game's original game director, proved to be a poor fit for the project, attempting to take the Lumines formula into new avant-garde directions. He often clashed with the development team and made unilateral decisions without the teams or management's buy-in. Progress improved upon letting him go and hiring a new project manager on-board, Ubisoft's Ding Dong.
 * 1) Alternatively, if you've got a really good quote that you just absolutely not paraphrase because it loses it meaning, you can, sparingly and occasionally, set up a direct quote. You need to write some set up, and then make it very clear that the words are someone else's, not yours. Something like:
 * ''Developer James Mielke outlined the creative issues with the game's original, anonymous game director and the rest of the team: ""We brought him on the project because he had a lot of game development experience, and his aesthetic sense initially aligned with our internal goals. But it soon became apparent, despite months of trying to synchronize our ideas, that he wanted to make something that looked like an avant-garde Bauhaus (the art movement, not the band) spin on the Lumines formula...Without going overboard on what he wasn't 'getting' about Lumines, I can just say we had to make the difficult decision to shift gears and bring on a different director, which was at the time a very controversial decision, internally, to make, but it ended up being the right move.""


 * You can do this, but it needs to be done sparingly, only if you've got a really good, juicy quote, and even then, it's usually better to try approach number one first. (A mix is acceptable as well.) You can't do direct quote after direct quote - see WP:QUOTEFARM. Actually, WP:QUOTE in general is a good read on this sort of stuff.

Let me know if that helps or not, and if you have further questions. Feel free to use that info if you want, or tweak it if I accidently added any false interpretations in there. (I've read a little about Lumines, but never played it or done any deep reading on it, so I don't have much background information prior to writing this.) Sergecross73   msg me  14:40, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, this is very helpful. I really appreciate it. I think I have a bit more confidence on editing now.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 15:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Fightstar
Fighstar TLDR style: Britain + Deftones + emo + post-hardcore + synths (later work) = Fightstar. Since you seem interested in discussion about it, if you care to take a listen at all, take a listen to "Floods", "More Human than Human" (not "More Human than Human"), "Behind the Devil's Back", and "Tannhäuser Gate" (a heavier one). I especially recommend the former two, but I just love the band entirely, so I could recommend everything.

Spread the good music, man! (You're the reason I know Lo-Pro.)  danny music editor  oops 04:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they're one of those band's that I've heard of, but I don't recall actually hearing any of their music. I'll have to check them out - we seem to be on the same wave-length when it comes to music - it's not very often I find anyone who likes both Lo-Pro and Third Eye Blind. Thanks for saying that about Lo-Pro though, that makes me really happy. Writing everything related to them was one of my first projects I took on when I joined Wikipedia. I'm glad to see that at least one person was affected by it. Sergecross73   msg me  12:43, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Dude, I listen to everything from indie pop to select melodic death metal. That shouldn't be surprising.  danny music editor  oops 03:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

review Draft:Lumines (series)
I've been trying to fill more information on the series. I think its off to a good start, but admittedly, not a lot of information is being covered for the series as a whole. Just a few tidbits. A lot of the core influence on Lumines also stems from the same thoughts used for synesthesia games like Rez and Child of Eden. I haven't given up though. Good thing there is metacritic scores for the "non-notable" games. I wanted to ask you if this is enough to allow a series article.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 07:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it's looking pretty good so far. I think half the reason series articles get rejected is because there's only 2 or 3 entries (not the case here) or there's little to no content present (not the case here). So I think its good enough to be moved into the mainspace.
 * I am surprised that there's a couple entries that aren't notable though. If they truly aren't, (I don't know, I haven't looked into it, I just know its generally a popular series) then you could always dedicated more time to describing them briefly at the series article, and then have the titles be redirects to the series article. (assuming theres enough sources to write anything about it.) Sergecross73   msg me  15:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! They seem notable if I go by reception. But there is hardly any development info for some of these. I think I can make Lumines Live! article. that one was controversial at the time DLC packs were received negatively. Supernova has just a single new gameplay mode exclusive to it. But once again, all I have is reception information.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 17:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you look in WT:VG about the decision to use the logo. I just made a request to assist me with one logo, and without a real consensus, another logo was used instead. I felt the decision was a little underhanded. However, if you review it and you think the current logo is better than the one I proposed, then I would feel less annoyed. Could you look into it? I feel a little bad for asking this. And I'm definitely not asking you to choose my side, I just want a real majority agreement.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 23:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've changed it into the image that you've proposed, I apologize I didn't make any agreement first but the image can be updated anytime, next time i won't be doing this behavior again. Mayamaya7 (talk) 08:04, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * its no big deal, i should apologize too. Lately, i have been having bad faith, and i shouldn't. I'm willing to accept the majority's decision is. I just felt it was too soon to decide is all, and would like proper majority vote. Lets continue to work together.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 00:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Welp, I wrote out a whole response on this, got an, and found you've worked out half of it already, haha. Sergecross73   msg me  00:17, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Help
Hey Serg, since your and admin, can you delete a page a recently created. It was an error, I was trying to make a page on Red And Anrchist Black Metal (wish you could help me, if you want). To find go to my Contributions and delete when you see “List of Heavy Metal Subgenres”. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixty Minute Limit (talk • contribs) 13:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * - No problem. I've deleted it. Sergecross73   msg me  14:13, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixty Minute Limit (talk • contribs) 14:14, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. And I delete most messeges in my talk page not because I'm ignoring them, I do it because I'm not comfortable with those types of alerts that others can see. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 16:39, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The most common way of handling user's talk page is to WP:ARCHIVE them, but you are free to delete them if you prefer. Sergecross73   msg me  16:55, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Kerry King
Someone keeps uploading weird pictures and putting them as the picture for Kerry King of Slayer. Since you're an administrator, can you please help? Statik N (talk) 20:18, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * A lot of it came from an editor already blocked, but there were a lot of bad IP edits lately too, so I still protected it too. Sergecross73   msg me  20:40, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Restaurant City
it's been a year since the indefinite, can you remove the protection? I believe there are now a bunch of sources out there. Mayamaya7 Poke!  03:37 PM, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi there. So, it looks like the admin who most recently blocked and protected against its creation,, is still active and an admin, so it'd be more appropriate if you made this request to him. I imagine he'll probably ask what sources you've found that shows that it's now notable, so be ready for that too. Sergecross73   msg me  12:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


 * thx serge, pinging as i request the article, I'll put the source here instead.       .  Mayamaya7  Poke!  06:43 AM, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Most of those are trivial and/or not about the game. Create Draft:Restaurant City and find more substantial sources before you submit a request for unblocking. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  23:41, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Socks Leonardo.G G
Hello, I saw that you blocked some of this user's puppets, there is a list of the puppets recently discovered in Portuguese: Le Comte Edmond Dantès  msg 21:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've blocked the ones that have ever been used on en-wiki. Sergecross73   msg me  19:41, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Protecting Light Metal
Hey Serg, there’s an anonymous user who deleted the Light Metal page, we got it back up but he will probably keep deleting links to Light Metal, could you keep an eye on him please, if you proof of it, visit the edit history of Light metal, he is going around deleteing Light Metal in bands, albums, and even the page itself, he is disruptively editing Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixty Minute Limit (talk • contribs)
 * I've given the anonymous user a warning about blanking the light metal music page, and they will be blocked if they persist. I also notified them that they cannot be removing sourced genre from articles. That said, it looks like most of the times they removed "light metal" from album articles, it was unsourced, so they're technically fine in removing it. Sergecross73   msg me  16:24, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 22:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I got a theory, it is not proven in any way but it may be true. Light metal is being deleted only be anonymous users, and the anonymous user’s IPs change over time, it could be that that anonymous user is the same person but with different IP addresses. It is obviously not proven but it could be true, I mean only anonymous users deleting the subgenre is suspicious, don’t you think?
 * It's possible. Conversely, the term isn't used much in the music world, let alone in general modern mainstream music, so right or wrong, they could think it's not real. They're not handling it in the right alway though. Sergecross73   msg me  21:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

They sure are fond of
issuing legal threats over and over again aren't they... (plus joke of all "AMERICAN/free speech" jokes, their apparent IP isn't even in the US lol)... Shearonink (talk) 02:29, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Haha, yeah, I assume they are the equivalent of a "parody account". Not only is their "first amendment/free speech" argument ludicrous, but the whole reason I blocked them was because they kept on asserting that video games were banned in 2018 and having them were punishable by death - a claim too crazy for anyone to seriously make in good faith. Sergecross73   msg me  02:45, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

RABM
Oh, and since now I discovered that words like “and” cannot be capitalized in a name, could you the name of this article I recently created, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixty Minute Limit (talk • contribs)
 * You're correct about "and" needing to be lowercase, but really, the whole thing needs to be lowercase - genre are not proper nouns that need to be capitalized. Except for the first word, which is always capitalized. (See just about ever genre article.) Anyways, this article confuses me. Is it one genre that goes by that whole name, or is it alluding to two separate genre? Sergecross73   msg me  00:03, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

No, it is just one genre/political philosophy in black metal. But it was nominated for deletion, could you please share your thoughts on the talk page, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixty Minute Limit (talk • contribs)
 * I've commented there. Sergecross73   msg me  12:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I also commented their, there’s reference to three reliable sources, PopMatters, NOISEY, and Pitchfork. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 12:41, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Is this neutral?
 * This page, got nominated for deletion, share your opinions if you could. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 13:00, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, that should be fine. Sergecross73   msg me  13:04, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Serg, I responded to your message in red and anarchist black metal 22 hours ago. Not to be stressful but your literally the only one on the talk page. Not even the nominatior has been a part of it so, yeah. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * They usually run for a week, so you have to be patient. If all there is, is one source in existence that uses the article's title, it's almost certainly going to be redirected or deleted though. Sergecross73   msg me  19:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * But can it be renamed, or merged to the black metal page? How I wish it could survive, but then reality strikes. But when your active, please try to comment on it. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 21:33, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The problem is that you haven't proven that it meets the WP:GNG under any name. As it is now, it'll likely be merged to some metal variant page. Sergecross73   msg me  22:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * And also, should I copy the page and add it a section in black metal, and redirect it there, if you agree, message me.
 * Wait until the deletion discussion ends. That'll determine what should be done. Sergecross73   msg me  22:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Please, let it be black metal, below the National Socialist black metal paragraph. But RABM may not have a reliable source that goes in depth of it, but they defenetly have a strong subculture, I would go as far to compare them to the unity of skinheads. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 01:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Black metal seems plausible. Sergecross73   msg me  02:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

And who are going to vote? We’re litterly the only people discussing the existence of the page. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 01:38, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Whoever happens to come across it and decide to give their input. Sergecross73   msg me  02:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Not many people even visit the page. Most probably we need to ask people to vote. But let me ask, what’s your proposal?Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 13:30, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just let the WP:AFD run its course. It's only been active a couple days. Sergecross73   msg me  14:10, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Help, User:FlightTime reverted my edits on industrial metal, because it need “conscencus”. He said that those genres, already mentioned on the page as fusion genres, need conscencus to be added in the infobox. Plus, I made the sections clearer, I made commercial rise have it’s own section, changed the name of industrial thrash and death metal to industrial thrash metal and industrial death metal, and still he thinks I need to get conscencus in things that involve such common sense. Please help.
 * Please see 's rational on my talk page. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 13:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * SML, I see that you're arguing about genre across multiple pages almost constantly. You've really got to stop this, you're exhausting the community's patience here. Stop dedicating 100% of your time tweaking music genre. Flight Time is correct - if someone objects to your changes, you need to engage them in discussion, and only make the change if there is WP:CONSENSUS in favor of doing it. And "it doesn't need a source" is not a valid argument. Sources. Are. Not. Optional. Sergecross73   msg me  14:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Serg, recommend people to vote in the RABM page, there’s at least agreement with both of our votes, but I do have some request on to put the paragraph, for further information, visit the talk page. As well I have the hole page copied on my sandbox. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The AFD has only been active for 3 days. They run 7 days, or 14 days if the consensus isn't clear after the first 7 days. You really just need to wait and let it run its course. Sergecross73   msg me  14:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I’m sorry, I didn’t know. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 13:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's fine. You may delete comments off of your talk page, but not others. You can fix your own minor typos on other people's talk pages, but otherwise you shouldn't be altering the conversations at all. Sergecross73   msg me  14:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Could you keep an eye for User:Saruman212, he has only edited for vandalism. He has no page but I keep my eye on his contributions. You can find him on the black metal page, he added “Scarry Larry” for some reason. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 11:08, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for alerting me and warning him. Let me know if he causes any more issues. If he keeps doing it after a warning, and 100% of his contributions are vandalism, I'll end up blocking him. Sergecross73   msg me  12:30, 20 June 2018 (UTC)