User talk:SlimVirgin/November 2017

Administrators' newsletter – November 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2017). Administrator changes
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Arbitration
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Obituaries
 * The Wikipedia community has recently learned that (William Allen Peckham) passed away on December 30, 2016, the same day as . Allen began editing in 2005 and became an administrator that same year.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:49, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

JV background
Re:, I think you will be disappointed but nonetheless interested to know that JV is the tip of an iceberg, perhaps two. Most starkly, the gaming press has mostly portrayed women as sex objects for decades and in many cases, there isn't academic secondary sourcing on balance, so editors consider it better to have a fluffy Reception section sourced to listicles about sex appeal than to ignore those sources as insufficient (read: fluff) and have no sourcing to justify a separate article at all. (I imagine this is a holdover from Wikipedia's early days, as fictional character articles tend to carry reams of in-universe cruft better suited for Wikia than a generalist encyclopedia.) This content gets all kinds of excuses so editors can give their favorite characters their own articles and the corresponding increase in standing. The topic area is an echo chamber and it's been hard to attract outside interest. The second iceberg tip:, a now-blocked, sockpuppeting user better known as , created a litany of these articles on fictional women characters in video games, mostly comments on appearance, almost exclusively sourced to listicles. You can find a list at user page. Note, in particular, the third list, which contains JV. No easy answers here but wanted to give you the heads up. czar 19:43, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks, I've encountered some of the articles in question, including Mai Shiranui with its animated image. There are so many of them, so it's a bit overwhelming. Interesting reading in your links. Thank you for all your help and insights with this issue, by the way. SarahSV (talk) 20:28, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, WP:ROSENBERG? An RfC I closed has its own WP:shortcut? I'm honored! --GRuban (talk) 17:16, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Alrighty then...
Promoted. Atsme 📞📧 20:18, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. :) SarahSV (talk) 20:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulations to you, Ms Sarah. You're the one who had the foresight to recognize a DYK candidate in the making, and helped make it happen! It was indeed my pleasure to collaborate with you. Atsme 📞📧 20:46, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you (as I go through some dark times at one of the articles that meant a lot to Dr. Chrissy and what a DS status means to some of our articles). If ArbCom meant "treat with kid gloves" for certain corporate articles, as some are now saying, it concerns me...a lot... Best, Gandy Gandydancer (talk) 21:04, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed it does concern many of us, GD - especially in light of the recent NYTimes article. Disconcerting is putting it mildly. If we had a system in place that was as thorough in rooting out advocacies as CU is in rooting out socks, we'd be light years ahead. (yes, I'm guilty of sensationalism but it appears to be the norm). Atsme 📞📧 21:53, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

File:John-Selden-color.jpg listed for discussion
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File:Trapped underground.jpg
Hello there. I was sorting through some files and landed on File:Trapped underground.jpg - I noticed a comment that an e-mail was forwarded to permissions but a quick search didn't yield any results. Would you happen to still have this e-mail to confirm the permission? Thank you! Jon Kolbert (talk) 18:16, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've deleted the one you mentioned above. As for this one, I'm in the middle of a rewrite and don't want to lose my train of thought, but I can look in a couple of days and let you know. SarahSV (talk) 18:22, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * , I've looked at the emails. The image was uploaded by La goutte de pluie in 2005, threatened with speedy deletion in 2010, then taken to FfD in 2011 and kept.


 * In 2010 I emailed the person who uploaded the image to MoblogUK. He explained that Adam Steacy, who owned the phone that had taken the photograph, had released the image to him. He forwarded me some emails to that effect. You can see the release if you follow the Moblog link on the file page. Whether Steacy was in a position to release it is another matter.


 * I asked Alfie if I could discuss these details publicly, and he said yes, but he asked me not to share Steacy's email address. If I ended up not forwarding the exchange to permissions (the note says I will, not I have), that was probably the reason. I did receive an email months later from the photographer who said that everything on the file page was correct, but I didn't follow up with him to ask whether he regarded himself as the copyright owner. Perhaps I should do that. If I do, I'll let you know what transpires. SarahSV (talk) 15:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I've asked the photographer to confirm the release. Will keep you posted. SarahSV (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks :) Jon Kolbert (talk) 15:47, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Chris Sherwin
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Rename Diana Gould (teacher)?
Hi, Sarah. I wrote this on the article talk page, but it wasn't noticed, and from the article history it looks like posting here would have an equivalent effect at worst. This article really isn't about Diana Gould, it's about a 15 minute exchange Gould had with the Iron Lady. Out of the 14 paragraphs, 13 are about the Belgrano; the fact that she was a teacher is basically irrelevant to them, she could have been a dentist or a computer programmer. So it needs to be renamed at least (since Gould isn't alive, it doesn't risk WP:BLP1E, but otherwise that would be a real possibility). No? --GRuban (talk) 17:56, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about this. People who remember the encounter are likely to remember her by name. What title did you have in mind? SarahSV (talk) 18:00, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I admit you've got me there, because I don't remember the encounter, or her by name. Diana Gould's Margaret Thatcher Belgrano criticism? Gould's criticism of Thatcher over Belgrano sinking? It's awkward and long, but it actually describes what's in the article, unlike the current title. Honestly, if you didn't just write that people would remember Gould's name, I was going to suggest leaving it out of the article title, as the least important part, Live criticism of Margaret Thatcher's Belgrano sinking. --GRuban (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Diana Gould (Belgrano interview), Diana Gould (Nationwide interview), Diana Gould – Margaret Thatcher exchange? SarahSV (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The last seems best; I think the fact that Thatcher was on the other end was key to the event's importance, as no one would have interviewed Gould alone about the Belgrano, nationwide or not. ("And tonight we have an exclusive interview with a part time PE teacher from Cirencester about the sinking of the General Belgrano. Stay tuned!") --GRuban (talk) 19:08, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and moved it. The lead will have to be rewritten a little, and I don't have time to do it right now, but I will later, or you can go ahead now if you like. SarahSV (talk) 19:23, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Gave the rewrite my best shot. --GRuban (talk) 19:37, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks good, thank you. SarahSV (talk) 19:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Continuing "Ghostwriting pt 2" discussion
Hi there Slim, and friends — to continue this discussion from September, now there is an article called Monsanto public relations activities. People could help to make this a solid article, perhaps by editing directly, perhaps by contributing advice and ideas for sources to use. I doubt I have all the most recent news on the subject; nor yet do I have good sources on Monsanto's PR activities before 1980, which nevertheless would belong in a complete article on the subject. Thanks and I hope you're well. groupuscule (talk) 03:51, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holiday Greetings

 * Many thanks,, and the same to you. SarahSV (talk) 00:37, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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