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Speedy deletion nomination of Parmanand Jha


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Nomination of Parmanand Jha for deletion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Narayan Prasad Adhikari


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Edit reverts on UCPN(M)
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 * Look, rather than posting these templates, my advice would be to cool down a bit, engage more constructively in discussions and adopt a more humble attitude to other editors. --Soman (talk) 06:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

October 2011
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Nomination of Narayan Prasad Adhikari for deletion
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RE: DYK Nomination of Church of Saint Menas of Samatya
Hallo Soman

thanks for reviewing my article! I added a recent reference and corrected the hook in accordance to it. I hope that now it is ok for you! Otherwise you can contact me again. Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 06:40, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * :-( Try it again, sorry (copy paste error). Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 07:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Just me. :-) Anyway you are right, this pdf is quite heavy. Here is the copy paste of the citation:

Karpos - Papylos/Menas Church: The church which was dated to the 5th century is situated on the Nafiz Gürman Avenue in the Samatya Neighbourhood of İstanbul. The building was used as a nunnery between the 10th and 12th centuries, and now it houses two shops, an iron workshop and a car wash shop. Believe it or not!


 * Over the citation there is a picture of the iron workshop... Bye, Alex2006 (talk) 07:51, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! This hook is important, since I think we should make people aware about monument situation in Turkey. Istanbul is a beautiful city, but apart from the landmarks, they don't give a dime about their byzantine and ottoman cultural heritage. Bye, Alex2006 (talk) 08:12, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel Abibi
Orlady (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Its now improved you can check it Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 10:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Confédération africaine des syndicats libres
Orlady (talk) 12:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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Syrian National Council
Hi, I've put in a request to try to get the Syrian National Council page semi-protected so that it stops getting vandalised. You can find the semi-protect page here - Requests for page protection Hopefully it get protected! alexdeangelis86 13:58, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
You can now check it Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 00:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've really understand what you are saying, I will try to be careful as I can. You are a good user and helping me the right thing. --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 00:12, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Keneder yiddische vochenblat
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Re: Ba'athism
I must admit, I'm pretty knew to this stuff, I've just begun my reading on Ba'athism. While you have a point, the most notable Iraqi Ba'ath Party is those who ruled the country, therefore, I believe, the leader section should consist of those who led the party to power in 1968 + It's hard enough to find info about the pre-Hussein party, information regarding the Syrian-controlled Iraqi Ba'ath Party is going to be very difficult to locate. Seriously, I'm still not sure when Ahmed Hussein al-Bakr became General Secretary, most historians have focused their interest on Iraqi Ba'athism on the Hussein era, and left everything else for the dustbin of history! My plan is to make two pages, one for Syrian Ba'ath Party of the Assads and one for the Iraqi Party of Hussein, and rewrite the main Ba'ath Party so it consists of the party history until the 1966-break, or merge the Ba'ath Party page to Ba'athism, and write about the break their. As you may know, the page for Ba'athism here on wikipedia is way to short. But just to make my plan clear, my plan now is to expand on Iraqi Ba'athism and Ba'athist Iraq at the moment, I still havn't acquired much knowledge on Syrian ba'athism yet, which is strange, considering that ba'athism is really a Syrian ideology.. But hey, I'll need all the help I can need, so if you want to help me, please do, I'll need all the help that i can get. See ya! --TIAYN (talk) 10:55, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The split was in 1966, when the Syrian-branch said it had the right to control the whole Ba'athist movement from Damascus. Several Ba'athist members were wary of being under the control of Syria, and wanted to evolve independently with as little interference as possible. The branch in Iraq had become highly nationalistic. Another reason was that the Syrian branch had become influenced marxism, the party in Iraq, as said, was a nationalist party with a vague socialist orientation. Socialism in the Iraqi Ba'ath Party was not as important for them as it was for the Syrians. Question, isn't the Syrian ba'ath party the only ba'ath party with a National Command now-a-days - the organ controlling the Ba'ath movement. I mean, the Iraqi branch probably still got one, but it has no effective power, and the wiki articles says most of the parties which adhered to the Iraqi line have ditched them. The only ba'ath party left, leading the movement is in Damascus, for now at least. But yes, I agree with a split; Ba'ath Party (Iraq) and Ba'ath Party (Syria). --TIAYN (talk) 11:33, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's true, I'll give you that. However, that's a topic for a later discussion. Even so, I'd think Ba'ath Party (Iraq) and Ba'ath Party (Syria) would be better due to readability, because, lets be honest, the majority of people have heard of the Ba'ath, and even less so of the international movement ba'athismen. But as said, this is a topic for a later discussion. --TIAYN (talk) 14:38, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thats fine with me! --TIAYN (talk) 06:57, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't this mean that the Iraqi branch is now under Syrian control? + In the new Ba'ath article I think we should write about the National Command, and not the regional commands. The regional commands were just branches and, according to me, should have there own articles. Secondly, there is enough information out there on the National Command of the Ba'ath Party pre-1966 to warrant an article. My plan is the following; the emphasise of the article should be on the National Command's activities, and then, a brief summary, 2-3 paragraph long about maybe, of all the branches. As we both know, there were more then two branches, but there seems to me, that only two of them are getting any mention. The Ba'ath were very strong in Jordan in the 1960s and 1970s but they are barely mentioned. The article is, in the state it is in now, bent in favour of Iraqi and Syrian branch/party... Or we could make a page for the National Command of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party? In my mind that would be waste of time, but what do you think? --TIAYN (talk) 11:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The Telegraph article does not indicate a reunification, just a sense of pragmatism on behalf of Syrian govt. The post-2003 developments of the pro-Saddam Baath Party are extremely murky, very unclear if a central coordination still exists. In the case of the Sudanese Baath Party, they simply opted to become a separate party altogether.
 * I think we should construct the articles so that clarity and preciseness prevails. The key facts are that 1) from the 1940s to 1966 there was one Baath Party, with RCs across the Arab World. 2) from 1966 onwards, there are two parties with identical names, each of them claiming to be the genuine NC, 3) both of the parties have seemingly identical and parallel organizational structures, with a parallel set-up of RCs. So there is a Syrian RC of the Assad party, and a Syrian RC of the Hussein party, there is an Iraqi RC of the Hussein party as well as one Iraqi RC of the Assad party (or in fact, there are two it seems...), there is an Yemeni RC of the Assad party and an Yemeni RC of the Hussein party, there is a Palestinian RC of the Assad party and a Palestinian RC of the Hussein party, and in Lebanon, Jordan, etc...
 * So, we don't get around the problematics by separating articles of NCs and RCs. We just end up in a plethora of articles, and not reducing the confusion created by popular perceptions of what the Baath is. --Soman (talk) 11:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Good point! :D --TIAYN (talk) 11:47, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of these branches are so darn obscure that it's annoying! Even so, I'm nearly finished with the Ba'ath Party article Iraq-section - I'm not finished with the split section. --TIAYN (talk) 12:08, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't that in deep contrast to wiki guidelines? I've never seen a source say that the Iraqi-branched Ba'ath Party was the successor to the original party. Secondly, since Iraqi Ba'ath Party has been banned, and is near-collapse anyway, Syria is by all means the dominant Ba'ath Party. They may not be the direct heirs, but they are the strongest + you have to into account the organisational changes. Another point - It would be easier to have 3 articles. There is a loot about the Ba'ath Party post-1968 in Iraq and in Syria. I support without question having 3 articles. We are developing a schism here between us, just like the Syrian and Iraqi Ba'ath parties did :P Bye--TIAYN (talk) 06:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd say 3....
 * Again, you have a point. The pre-1966 Iragi (Baghdad)-organisation was not a party, that's true, but it functioned as a party. The fact is that the Regional Command for the Iraqi (Baghdad)-based organisation worked as a party, and the same organiational structure was still used in the post-split party. Nothing really changed in Iraqi (Baghdad) with the exception that Afleq dissapeared. It should be noted that Afleq didn't chose to flee Syria, he was forced too. Afleq tried, against all odds, in the 1960s to retain control over the Ba'ath Party through the National Command, in this he failed. Saddam Hussein granted Afleq Iraqi citizenship but no real power, and made Iraq, under his rule, an official Ba'athist state (the same a socialist state, but you know, Ba'athist instead). Afleq was just a character in a much bigger playing board controlled by Saddam when he came and lived in Iraq. --TIAYN (talk) 10:55, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * + while I generally consider you're work very good on the Ba'ath Party (Syria) article, it should be made clear that it is the Syrian cell of the Ba'ath Party which controlls the movement. Thus I'm opposed to naming a section "The party in Syria". The cell in Syria is the party! Without Syria there would be no Damascus-based Ba'ath Party. The other parties are branches of the Syrian controlled Damascus-based Ba'ath Party. The fact is that, since the 1966, the branches of the Baghdad and Damascus-based parties are merely just pans in a bigger games headed by the Iraqi and Syrians cells respectively - there would be no movement, nor party without them! It's a reason why the Iraqi Ba'ath movement is collapsing, it no longer has any controll. I think this should be made clearer, don't you? --TIAYN (talk) 11:00, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I havn't said the Syrian branch has seized to be a Ba'athist party, I'm saying that the Syrian cell is the cell which is controlling the party. The chance of a non-Syrian holding the position as the General Secretary of the National Command is equally to 0. That's fact, and that should be made clear. Im not saying they stopped being Ba'athist, I'm saying that only one of the regional cells controlled the Iraqi Ba'ath movement and one cell is still controlling the Syrian-led ba'athist movement. They are still ba'athist! --TIAYN (talk) 11:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * + I think the 1966 split should be at the Ba'ath Party page, and not the Ba'ath Party (Syria) page.... We have different views and takes on this, sad :( --TIAYN (talk) 11:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Could you add assessment tags to your articles?
See Talk:Oblicze Dnia (newspaper), Talk:Pod Prąd, Talk:Nasz Przegląd. It's not that hard :) And it IS very useful, as tagged articles can be picked up by Article Alerts and other tools (example). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 19:37, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. --Soman (talk) 05:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Oblicze Dnia (newspaper)
Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sékou Touré presidential visit to the Republic of the Congo
Well done, thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Keneder yiddische vochenblat
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Der yidisher arbeyter (Paris)
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)