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Arabic vs Tunisian Arabic
Hey, thank you for reverting edits thant change Arabic (the official language of Tunisia) to the Arabic Tunisian dialect. Some guys are reinventing history. I asked to verify the guy is using 2 accounts Sockpuppet investigations/Tounsimentounes. But the main problem is still the number of changes made! Someone needs to review all his edits. --Helmoony (talk) 22:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you to you too, it's really frustrating to see this type of blabant revisionism in Wikipedia. I recall some editor trying a similar thing with Egyptian Arabic a while back. You can find summary of the use of the 'Tunisian Arabic' at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Lang-aeb. --Soman (talk) 06:15, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Just a comment from a casual "butthurt".
The first two facts in your "Do you know" section that has a Palestine flag are acually corrisponding with zionists and therefore should have an Israeli flag (according to your flag agenda) simply becuase Zioninists centered mainly in the area that is today modern day reocgnized Israel, while the area that is today the claimed boundries of the State of Palestine had a very small Jewish population. The State of Palestine is not a successor state of the Brittish Mandate. --Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:43, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The State of Palestine is the successor state of the Mandate, in the same way that the present-day Algerian republic is the successor state of the French department there. --Soman (talk) 08:49, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

The department of Algeria was created in the "Regency of Algeirs" and was inhabited by 100% Algernians (=people who live in Algeria). The "..Republic of Algeria" succeed the French control immidiatly after the French left and today they control 100% of the population and people who stayed in the territory once known as French Algeria.

The Brittish Mandate of Palestine was created out of a group of Ottoman provinces, in particular the Muttasarifate of Jerusalem and when the Brits left it was a sovereign hole for the next year until Israel was recognized in 1949. The West Bank was unrecognizely controled by Jordan (who later annexed it as an integral part of the kingdom) and the Gaza Strip was unrecognizely controled by Egypt. The situation remained prety much the same until 1988, when the PLO declared the independence of the State of Palestine on the territories that were previously held by Egypt and Jordan (and are not fully recognized as part of any country). Eventually, Palestine is partially recognized as the sovereign of the population living in a territory which is around 5% of the original territory of the Brittish mandate of Palestine (Including Transjordan). The two parties you showed up were mainly Jewish and most Jews lived in the area that is today the recognized territory of Israel. Non of the less, The Shomer Hatzair party succeded by the party "Mapam" which was a party in the newly established State of Israel. The other party, of the Mapasim (and not mopsim as non-Hebrew writer described them in a source) later forged the party "Maki" which was also an Israeli party. "Maki" which is again, the sucssesor of the Mapas, ceased to exist in the 60's and the last form of the party that was in the parliament (knesset) was the Left Camp of Israel which whose last term in the parliament was in 1981. The State of Palestine was declared in 1988.

Therefore: 1) The State of Palestine is not the sucssessor of the Mandate of Palestine becuase the Mandate of Palestine was not dismenteled for it's creation (like Algeria) and the State of Palestine was declared only 40 years after the Mandate ceased to exist.

2) The young guard party, which operated in the Mandate of Palestine, operated on the behalf of the Jewish settlement (Yishuv) and not for the Arab Higher Committee and later became "Mapam" which was a party in the parliament of the State of Israel and later Mapam joined the Alignment, which was once the ruling party of the State of Israel and today it is part of "Meretz" which is a modern Israeli party, currently in the Israeli parliament.

3) The Socialist part of Palestine and it's sucessors, also operated for the Yishuv and later the State of Israel. It's last sucssesor failed to reach the parliament in 1982, which is before the State of Palestine was declared so it has no relation to it.

4) The State of Palestine doesn't represent the territory that was once the Brittish Mandate on Palestine but only a tiny portion of it, in which the number of Jews who used to live there were very small (Mainly Kfar Darom and Gush Etzion), the Jewish parties were not too significant in their territory.

Conclution: Put an Israeli flag on the two Zionist and later Israeli parties or put a Brittish Mandate flag. --Bolter21 (talk to me) 11:19, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, my userpage, my definitions. And for the record, Palestine was not a 'hole' in 1949. The Zionists that migrated to and lived in Palestine, a country that still exists. Attempts to lawyer-speak on legalities on state-hood doesn't change basic facts. --Soman (talk) 11:29, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

By "hole" I meant a "Sovereign hole". Zionists haven't migrated to a country. The Brittish Mandate was not a country but a "Mandate" or simply a LoN recognized colony of the UK. The mandate was "...responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people..".

The last time there was a country in Palestine/Israel before S.o.Israel was the crusader kingdom. The Muttassarifate of Jerusalem was kind of autonomous. The State of Palestine, which is by the way, not really a de-facto country since it's declaration in 1988, is not the location in which Jews migrated to. The Jews migrated into the administrative body called Palestine (Although Jews usually called in "Israel" and the Brits were generous enough to note that in the local currecny. "Palestine" was not a country (Entity with sovereignty over a territory with population which is independent and recognized) in 1917-1949 and it was not a state at least until 1994 when Israel and the PLO signed to allow PLO administration in Jericho and Gaza and later expanded in 1995-2000 to 40% of the West Bank and in 2005 to 100% of the Gaza Strip. In 2012 the UN general assembly recognized the State of Palestine as an observer member thus making it semi recognized but not fully recognized since De-Facto, USA, UK and France doesn't recognize the State of Palestine, which blocks it from being a member in the United Nations and implying it's existance as legal. The State of Palestine doesn't administrate anything while the PA does efforts to blur the boundries between the self-proclaimed SoP and the agreement-created PA.

The SoP doean't represent the Zionist parties that operated on the behalf of the Yishuv, the SoP represent's the territory of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, following the PLO's recognition of the State of Israel in 1993 via a letter from Yasser Araft to Israeli PM Issac Rabin.

It is like, showing a Slovak party from 1915 that was later operating in Czechoslovakia until 1939, under a Czech flag, saying that the Czech republic is the successor state of the Czechoslovakia --Bolter21 (talk to me) 13:54, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The notion that Palestine was a virgin land without a people is a classic colonialist logic, used over centuries to justify land appropriations and ethnic cleansing. --Soman (talk) 17:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I said that a De-Jure Arab country from 1988 can't be a successor state to a colony that ended it's existance in 1948.
 * Nevertheless, a Zionist party that opperates with the Yishuv (Which the State of Israel was fromed from), is not affiliated with the State of Palestine that would exist in theory only 40 years after, especially when some of the parties ceased to exist before the Staet of Plaestine even existed.
 * A party of the State of Israel that also existed in the Brittish Mandate of Palestine, is not connected to the State of Palestine. --Bolter21 (talk to me) 19:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it can. The lack of political entity between 1948 and the founding of the PLO doesn't mean that the Palestinian nation (as opposed to state) becomes void. Fact remains, the Zionists lived as migrants in Palestine and Palestine continued to exist after the proclamation of the State of Israel. --Soman (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * You"ll have to accept the difference between Palestine (the region), Palestine (the nation), Palestine (the country) and Palestine (the Authority), else the Czech Republic is a successor state of the March of Carinthia in contrast to Czechoslovakia.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 15:36, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The region/nation/country is one and the same. And in all cases, one can differentiate between nations and states. And the 'Authority' is a political administration, not the state. --Soman (talk) 15:38, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Palestine: region in the southern levant with undefined boundries (variates dozens of times until 1923) / a predominantly Arab nation with disagreements on it's roots and legitimacy / a country declared in 1988 with virtually no administration on anything but some recognition and an observer status in the UN / a government designed to prepare the Palestinian Territories (i.e. the West Bank and Gaza) for a state which never really established.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 11:42, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. You could do the same excerise with any country. I'm sorry, but I don't think we get any further here. --Soman (talk) 11:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Israel: Country, member of the UN with defined borders (and recogznied borders) / land with disputes on it's boundries (Land of Israel) / (according to right wings) land, which is the rightfull land of the Jewish people as promised by the UK in 1917 on a land promised by god/historically inhabited by Jews/Israelites (Greater Israel) / a nation, which is being formed since 1948, as a collective of Jews, Arabs, Druze and other minorities all living in the State of Israel / a name for a nation, driving from the Land of Israel and made of (according to tradition) the remeinings of the Israelites, who are identified as "Jews" from the tribe of "Judah" (Yehuda) / An ancient kingdom / An ancient kingdom which is a succsessor state of the (United) Kingdom of Israel which had its core on the Samaria region.
 * The State of Israel is not a successor state to the Kingdom of Judah, even though all of it's Jewish inhabitants are traditionally decendents of those who lived there. Israel is a successor state of the Brittish Mandate on Palestine. State of Palestine is (fighting to be) the successor of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip territories, with no claim to the rest of Israel (since 1993)--Bolter21 (talk to me) 14:41, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to continue, it's your decision, I just enjoy arguments, see what other people think and their answeres.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 14:42, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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They changed the name - no respect for history L( Any idea if Kolkatans still use the old name or have moved to the new name? Just curious. --regentspark (comment) 14:21, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think they were somehow forced to name at least 1 street in Kolkata after Indira following the killing (CPI(M) had run an anti-Indira electoral campaign in 1984, which opened for a strong backlash after the murder). I don't know myself how it is known today, but old names of many streets are still in use in daily speech to some extent. --Soman (talk) 16:07, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

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