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Referenda in New Zealand
Please read Talk:Referenda in New Zealand, and the links I provided there. We discussed the title of the article before creating it - see New Zealand collaboration/History. If you still believe the rename is correct, could you please post on the article talk page explaining your reasoning, otherwise please revert your move.- gadfium 05:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Referendum articles
Please could you move them all back per Referendum. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  14:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You seem to be acting against consensus by moving all these referendum articles. Have you made any attempt to discuss the moves? I will revert them to the naming at the link Number 57 gave above.- gadfium 23:24, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I have raised the matter at WP:ANI. You may like to comment there although I am only asking for technical advice on how to revert.- gadfium 23:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It will be a lot of work to undo all your incorrect changes. Can you please not do this kind of thing again? Thanks. --John (talk) 00:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The changes are not incorrect!!! Referendums is just a dumbing down of the proper plural of referendum in the same way as formulas should be formulae, stadiums should be stadia, geniuses should be genii et cetera... Stephen MUFC (talk) 01:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you not read the links we provided you with above? I am no expert on Latin gerunds. Perhaps you are. However, the Oxford English Dictionary and Fowler's Modern English Usage provide adequate guidance that the term "referendums" is correct. If you believe there should be a change, please gain consensus at Referendum.- gadfium 02:37, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how they can say it is a logically preferable if Latin has no plural for it itself other than referenda. Stephen MUFC (talk) 13:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Latin has no plural for it; it's an English word so it uses the English plural. To most people 'referenda' sounds like cod Latin - a word invented in the belief it sounds like Latin but which has no actual connection. However the place for this discussion is at Talk:Referendum, and the advice you've been given is good: don't make large numbers of controversial page moves without getting consensus. Sam Blacketer (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * But the gerundive plural is referenda...
 * No it isn't. Gerunds don't have a plural. If they do, then it would be the gerund itself in the plural, which is a different meaning - a referendum is an occasion when the electorate is invited to vote on a specific provision, and a referenda (also singular) is an occasion when the electorate is invited to vote on multiple specific provisions. Sam Blacketer (talk) 14:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I said gerundive. Stephen MUFC (talk) 14:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * And regarding edits like this, on Chemistry articles WP:MOSCHEM trumps WP:ENGVAR; we follow IUPAC usage, which means we use aluminium and also sulfur. Derivatives are spelled in the same way. Please, get consensus for any other sweeping changes of this sort you wish to make. Thanks, --John (talk) 07:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case why is there a whole article called phosphine? Should that not be called phosphane?? That is it's IUPAC name after all. Stephen MUFC (talk) 13:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Difficult because there are two conflicting guidelines. Wikipedia uses IUPAC names to decide which to use when there's a conflict in spelling, as with Sulfur and Aluminium. But there is also the 'use common names' guideline which means that we use the better known name in preference to an IUPAC systematic name - so for example see Acetylene for the article and Ethyne for a redirect. Sam Blacketer (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * But surely John's comment that "WP:MOSCHEM trumps WP:ENGVAR" means these page should all be moved to pages headed with their IUPAC names and be corrected accordingly. So please don't have a go at me for making "controversial" changes when there are plenty of "controversial" articles relating to the same kind of thing. Stephen MUFC (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to propose page moves then them, Dear Liza. But one of the joys of Wikipedia is that it isn't always forced to be consistent. Sam Blacketer (talk) 14:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's not forced to be consistent why revert my changes then...? Stephen MUFC (talk) 14:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Because 'referendums' already had consensus among editors as the plural of referendum. Consensus can change but you have to discuss it first before trying to force a change as a fait accompli. Sam Blacketer (talk) 14:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about that one, I'm talking about the changes relating to sulphur and for the record I wasn't trying to accomplish a fait accompli I was replacing any instances of -iz- with -is- and getting rid of any serial commas. Stephen MUFC (talk) 14:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

You are wrong again. See American and British English spelling differences. -Ize is acceptable in most cases in British English. -Ize endings are not an Americanism; see here for example. WP:ENGVAR will give you a basic appreciation for when and whether it is acceptable to change one national variety into another. --John (talk) 23:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * When did I say it was an Americanism?? And thank you yes I have actually read that article before. Stephen MUFC (talk) 16:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. So, why would you be "replacing any instances of -iz- with -is- and getting rid of any serial commas" then, if it is correct in both main dialects of English? --John (talk) 05:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * To me (even though technically correct) -iz- is just ugly and a language should be beautiful and since -is- is also correct I prefer it. As for the serial commas, 90% of the time they are totally redundant. Stephen MUFC (talk) 13:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I love that you care this much about language. On a collaborative project, it's extremely important to work with others and observe established consensus. Let me know if you ever need any more help. --John (talk) 17:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Anglicisation of articles.
I remind you again of Wikipedia's policy on national varieties of English which you may find at WP:ENGVAR. Put simply you are advised against changing things without substantive reason. I'm a British English speaker myself but the current policy exists for a reason and making changes changes aginst policy is simply disruptive and creates works for everyone undoing your actions. I see you have been reminded of this previously so please take this on board since it is going to be a lot of work repairing the damage you have caused. Crispmuncher (talk) 19:17, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This is your final warning against disruptive editing. You have been directed to the appropriate policy concerning national varieties of English repeatedly and over an extended period, and yet you still choose to ignore them.  Further edits in this regard may result in a block or other sanction. Crispmuncher (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Template:Paraguay Squad 2010 World Cup
Hi Stephen. Why do you insist on changing Nelson Haedo Valdez to Nelson Valdez on this template? Logic demands to keep the direct link instead of the redirected one. If not, the player's name is not bolded on his article page. I can't explain it without an example, check Rodolfo Gamarra how in both templates his name is in bold. If a redirect were to be used it would appear as a normal internal link. Regards. Fache (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

August 2010
This is the final warning you will receive regarding your disruptive edits. If you vandalise Wikipedia again, as you did at Paraboloid, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Your edits continue to constitute vandalism since they are in knowing violation of policy regarding the use of national varieties of English. Crispmuncher (talk) 14:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

September 2010
In editing and renaming Toy store, you switched from American English to British English. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

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In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Thank you.

Bébé name
Can you please not change his name, he released a statement that he uses the name Bébé (even tho it may or may not fit the Portuguese lang, he prefer the double é)

see his own T-Shirt from the link bellow (He uses that in the games he plays) -

Bébé T-Shirt

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English plurals
"Formulas" is commonly used in multiple contexts - see formula and also Dictionary of chemical formulas and the categories Category:Chemical formulas and Category:Molecular formulas. The word may have been taken from Latin but it's standard to use the normal rules of English pluralisation for loan words. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC) No it isn't. Just because it has been bastardised in America doesn't mean it is correct. Stephen MUFC (talk) 12:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

January 2011
This is your last warning; the next time you vandalise Wikipedia, as you did at Spoiled child, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.
 * How was that vandalism exactly? Stephen MUFC (talk) 11:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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Changing spelling at The Dark Knight Rises
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Kolkata IPA change
Regarding your edit, I think you are not a native Bengali speaker, and so not aware of the pronunciation of Kolkata. So, to clarify this, the IPA has been changed to ˈkɒlkɑːtɑː. Now, I am not very familiar with IPA, so may commit mistakes, but am sure about the pronunciation, as I am a native Bengali-speaker from the city. The two "a" after "K" and "t" are pronounced like the a in "bra". Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:25, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not a native Bengali speaker but what I changed was the English pronunciation which is [kɒlˈkætə]. The current Bengali pronunciation shown on the page is [ˈkolkat̪a] so if you want to represent the correct pronunciation for Bengali change that. Stephen MUFC (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I got your point. However, is it usual that the English and Bengali pronunciation of a city name (with unchanged spelling) would differ so much? When you are referring to English pronunciation, what type of English pronunciation(or, what accent) are you using? It is not unexpected that English-speaking people from different region of the world might pronounce it differently. But the ideal pronunciation (or the way one should try to pronounce it) remains the same, the Bengali pronunciation, which the name of the city. How can English (or Japanese, or Russian, or whatever) pronunciation of a city name can differ? I have not hard any native-English speaking people in the North East US pronounce the name the way you have put it in IPA. --Dwaipayan (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It is quite usual for English pronunciations to change the native pronunciation since they normally sound strange in English. I'm from the north of England and everyone in Britain pronounces it this way. The Bengali pronunciation though the correct native one is incorrect in English and the IPA for Bengali is next to it anyway. Stephen MUFC (talk) 08:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

User page edits
Hi! Thanks for the edits in my user page. Have not read it in a while! Even the India portal wikilink was wrong!--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:32, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pleased you're grateful. Stephen MUFC (talk) 17:33, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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Father vs. Stack
Per edits like this, where you changed the "closest English equivalent" from "father" (that is, ) to "stack" or "trap" (that is, ). I can see how you might be motivated to do this. Phonetically speaking, a number of the vowels indicated are, which shares many features with ; they are both front and both open. In addition, quite a few of these vowels are short, which differs from in English.

The problem lies in the variability of in English. Very often, it is diphthongal, so that it is closer to or even. In addition, some of the vowels (such as that of Catalan and Spanish) are not front, but central. This would make the choice of or  arbitrary were it not for the phonetic variability that I mentioned.

If you are still doubtful about this, consider also that many interlingual guides and dictionaries will compare the of a language to that of father. This is why I've reverted your changes. — Æµ§œš¹  [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 01:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * An additional source of confusion is that the symbol /a/ is often used to represent vowels that are actually more back than front. This is the case in Burmese. The important thing to remember is that IPA symbols (especially those for vowels) are flexible in their reference and that phoneticians often use the typographically most familiar symbol even when another symbol is closer to the actual sound, as long as no ambiguity arises. Thus in languages with only one low vowel, /a/ is usually the symbol used since it's more familiar than /ɑ/ (and better lends itself to combination with diacritics for tones, such as /á/ and /à/) and since no ambiguity arises in languages that don't contrast a front low vowel from a back low vowel. Angr (talk) 08:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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Reduced vowels
Hi,

I see you're removing reduced vowels from IPA transcriptions, as at Sarah Palin and Saturn. The latter is clearly wrong: Saturn does not have the full vowel of "tern", but the reduced vowel of "cistern", at least according to the OED. Likewise, I always hear Palin's name pronounced with a reduced vowel. — kwami (talk) 09:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Well English doesn't really have the sound /ɨ/. However, yes, Saturn shouldn't have been changed - apologies for that one. Stephen MUFC (talk) 11:10, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * We're using ⟨ɨ⟩ for the sound some dictionaries transcribe ⟨ᵻ⟩ or ⟨ə̈⟩ (just one dot over the ə; I don't have that on my keyboard). The reason we don't use those is that people have insisted we use only IPA symbols, and ⟨ɨ⟩ is used in some sources. So ⟨ɨ⟩ is correct for "schwi" given our conventions. — kwami (talk) 19:44, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

February 2013
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 * My apologies on this one, I can see that your reason for correcting the title of the Encyclopædia Britannica was perfectly valid and I was wrong to revert it. Have a nice day :) —Noiratsi (talk) 00:55, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

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October 2017
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Marcus Rashford. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:55, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The stats I added can be seen here. Stephen MUFC (talk) 20:09, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

March 2020
Please stop adding unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did on Anthony Martial. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I didn't add any unsourced content, I simply corrected something on the page that was incorrect according to the source already there. Stephen MUFC (talk) 12:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Language & Religion
Hi Stephen,

I saw your user page after I noticed you were the last person to edit the Ethics of Ambiguity entry.

In any event, I’d like to discuss with you further and I believe I have a viewpoint that may be of interest to you, and at very least your viewpoint does interest me.

Can we chat? Thewolfde (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Matěj Kovář
Any reason why you're continuing to restore unsourced content about a BLP?! GiantSnowman 22:11, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * See the relevant talk page. Stephen MUFC (talk)

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