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The Bugle: Issue CLXIX, May 2020
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Precious anniversary
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The Bugle: Issue CLXX, June 2020
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Leeds in sculpture
Hi Storye book. I just wanted to let you know about a virtual event coming up in about a month's time which you may have an interest in joining. Leeds in sculpture - a virtual tour will be a Zoom seminar held by Leeds Civic Trust, and among the sculpture discussed will be the work of Catherine Mawer. I don't know whether it will tell you anything you don't already know, however! Cheers,  Rcsprinter123  (interview)  18:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Wow - thank you for the heads up on that. Frankly, they made some serious mistakes on the plaque (having ignored clear info I gave them), and of course the newspaper copied it. I shall try very hard to keep my mouth shut about that. I'm just hoping they don't do it again. That said, wouldn't it be wonderful if they discovered more stuff! I do hope so. Cheers. Storye book (talk) 19:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXI, July 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXII, August 2020
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DYK for West Park United Reformed Church, Harrogate
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

September Women in Red edithons
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August 2020
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Thomas Edward Wilkinson. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

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 * Added Thomas Edward Wilkinson to requested moves. Storye book (talk) 08:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: issue resolved. Storye book (talk) 13:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Thomas Edward Wilkinson
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for John Peele Clapham
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
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Barnstar

 * Thank you, Casliber! Much appreciated. Well, big as WP may be, I have certainly noticed all the admin work that you've done over the years. Storye book (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Heh, am an editor first :) - admin (and arb) just some extra bits thrown in :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, so I just looked at the lists on your userpage. I had no idea that you contributed to all those FAs/GAs. When visiting Oz around '90, I rode the Tully river and saw the black cockies fly over, though different ones from the one in your article. Very exotic to a pom, though. Today I'm going to move to mainspace an article which may amuse you - an adventure story, I suppose, involving at least one rather dodgy character if you read between the lines. Storye book (talk) 13:57, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Heh cool read. BTW I am descended from Abraham Wormald mentioned here (I think) - via his son Isaac. (And I went to Spring Gardens :)) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, that is very interesting indeed. So you are descended from John Wormald Appleyard's bro Isaac to whom J.W.A. left a legacy? This could be important historically, as J.W.A. had no children of his own and his wife predeceased him. That means that if J.W.A. left any of his art, papers, photos etc. to anyone, it's likely to be his brother Isaac. Is there any chance that you could ask your relatives whether they have inherited anything pertaining to J.W.A. as an artist? Or maybe a photo of him? J.W.A. is a puzzle - too little is known of him, yet when I moved to Leeds in '82, the general man-in-the street knew his name, and knew that he had made the clock figures (pictured in the article). Oddly, all Leeds' information about him had been handed down verbally.


 * It is very odd: (1) no proper research had ever (as far as I know) been done on him, (2) Leeds Central Library art dept had no information on him whatever (though one of his capitals stands 2 metres from their art library door), (3) Leeds Art Gallery had no information on him whatever, and (4) nor did Leeds Discovery Centre (Leeds Museum's archive). What you can see in the article is all that I can find up to now.


 * I suspect that he completed his apprenticeship with the Mawer Group (but no evidence) and that he could even have been sponsored by George Corson to study in Rome - there is something about his extraordinary ability to sculpt legs which IMO he could only have learned there (but no evidence).
 * There is another puzzle. His early ancestors have Old Testament names, which makes me think that those ancestors were chapel people - some chapel groups did use OT names. yet J.W.A.'s parents were buried in an Anglican churchyard.


 * There are lots of gaps, sparks of genius and puzzles about him. Anything that your relatives can contribute via your good self (as per WP guidelines of course) would be extremely useful to the history of art in Leeds. Sorry to go on, but I'm quite excited in case there is a chance that we may learn more. Storye book (talk) 19:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Right - it is an odd family. So Isaac (1816-1878) was my great-great-great grandfather and a stonemason. We visited someone in Yorkshire who had a font that he made. He lived in Spring Gardens and his estate was valued at under £100 when he died. Isaac had a son Abraham (1848-1918) who became a wool broker/cotton merchant and moved to Bradford in the early 1870s. His 7th son was George Wormald (1884-1950) who moved to Sydney, Australia. Family story goes that he was the 7th son of a 7th son, but I haven't been able to substantiate that. His son was also George Wormald (1911-1983) who was briefly married to my grandmother and and together they had my mother. No Australian members of this branch know anything about antecedents until I found a bunch of stuff. I am now intrigued to resurrect my fam history research and find more. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

My thinking with the biblical names was that they were some sort of stricter branch of Christian, but have not seen anything documented. I also think the older Abraham's father was another Isaac Wormald but was unable to link them.Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

NB: I just realised Isaac predecesed him, so not sure who was about....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for all that information - very helpful. Would you agree that it's now looking as if I misunderstood the family connection, and that the relative that you and John Wormald Appleyard share is Abraham Wormald (ca.1786–1847), and that your Isaac was not J.W. Appleyards brother (who was a coal merchant, not stone mason)? I think I'm beginning to understand it now. So your family is unlikely to have any knowledge of the artist. But as far as the history of JWA goes, your research may shed some light on whether the Wormald ancestors were chapel people, which used to make a big social difference in Yorkshire. Some of the major chapel communities were very radical and vocal politically, and they make for interesting reading. I get the impression that most of them were not the inward-looking types that you read about in e.g. Silas Marner. Storye book (talk) 10:59, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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DYK for Gibson Kyle
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

October editathons from Women in Red
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Cherry Fountain
Hello! I have left you a note on the talk page for Cherryl Fountain. There were about a dozen errors in this article when you pushed it to article space. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:33, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

re
I have to say, I've never seen anything like the number of editors who came into that article so fast. Who knew an obscure contemporary artist could cause such contentious editing. I think you must have linked to the article from somewhere all of them watch like hawks to gatekeep out the people trying to write articles about themselves, like maybe a list of contemporary artists or something.

I'm not sure how to advise you here, but I will say that deciding you don't want to directly interact with the person reverting your edits isn't going to be a good solution. You could literally end up letting yourself be chased away from every article you start. As long as the person is behaving within bounds, which I believe they will in future, you're going to have to be willing to interact at least minimally. The thing to do is for each change you disagree with, open a new section, ping them to it, and ask for their reasoning. Be determined not to take offense, and honestly if you can ignore what you see as bullying behavior, that's best. I know that can be hard, but don't go to ANI again over it, not unless someone you trust who is super-experienced at ANI agrees you should. You got lucky this time because this person was objectively wrong in what they told you, and because Cullen was there to also call them out on the insult. Before he got there, people were telling you to "cut your losses", which is what they say when they mean, "you're headed for a boomerang if you don't shut up and go away quietly". Which sucks, because you were in the right, but the fact is, ANI is almost NEVER the right answer. It's always better to go find some admin who you know to be well-intentioned. I know you tried coming to me, and I wasn't immediately available, but you should have either waited -- I generally edit between 5am and noon Eastern US time -- or gone to someone else who was actively editing. Here's a link for recently active admins. —valereee (talk) 12:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Valeree. I shall follow your advice, but I can't edit the article bit by bit on the article page, because until I've finished, it won't be complete, if you know what I mean. This happened before with a previous article, and every time I was called away to other duties and had to do a quick save, the aggressors came in within minutes and reverted all my work on the grounds that it was incomplete. Then I could not continue editing. This is the reason for userfying, and then presenting the rewritten article in complete form, with all explanations and citations fully in place. However, due to your moral support, I'm happy to put the completed rewrite on the actual article page. I'll let you know when I'm about to do that. I would like to think I could complete it within a few days, but bearing in mind the pressure that has been brought to bear on me, I don't want to rush it. I do feel heavily obliged to do it though, because the article has been badly spoiled by cuts so that it no longer makes full sense, and a spoiled article is not respectful to the artist. By the way, forgive me for saying this but you probably aren't aware - the artist is not obscure in Kent by any means, and Kent is not obscure in England. Cheers, and thank you again. Storye book (talk) 14:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, try not to think of people who make changes in an article you've worked on as aggressors or their behavior as bullying. These are experienced, well-intentioned editors with whom you are having a content dispute. If multiple editors are agreeing with each other that certain stuff doesn't belong in the article, it's highly likely they're correct. They aren't making these changes to make you feel bad. They're making them because they think the changes improve the article. —valereee (talk) 17:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Valereee, what they are doing really creeps me out, now. For no justifiable reason they have put a link to my sandbox on the talk page, and I just feel as if I have been, and am being, stalked. Due to feeling unsafe, I don't think I'll be able to create any more articles on WP for a long time. It is a pity, because in the last 15 or 16 years I have contributed a lot to WP. The Cherryl Fountain article was intended as a contribution to the Women in Red movement. I am currently in the process of reviewing one nomination template for DYK, and of course I shall honour that. In my opinion the Cherryl Fountain article is now potentially too unstable to remain in DYK nomination, and I cannot guarantee article quality for DYK under these circumstances. Therefore I have withdrawn the nomination. Storye book (talk) 19:25, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm sorry to hear you feel unsafe. I'd like to help with that, but I really see there are editors at the article who could be a lot kinder to someone who is clearly sensitive to assertiveness, but they haven't actually done anything wrong. Unfortunately this isn't something I can help you solve. —valereee (talk) 19:41, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not expecting you to, and I didn't ask. Storye book (talk) 19:58, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/List of Arjuna award recipients (1961–1969)
Please see note on your DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 18:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have replied. Storye book (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - October 2020
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DYK for Red, White and Blue (ship)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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Joseph Benwell Clark
Many thanks for your review, I only spotted it today because you pinged me. I have added your finds into the article. Sadly, not quite all English libraries buy the Gale Times Digital Archive! The V&A page is good and is about some drawings for Baron Munchausen, not the book.

I haven’t been able to find a published biography and can only think someone may still be working on one. I wonder if it is Catherine Wallace, who added some facts about Clark on the NPG page? There is remarkably little on him to be found, except in snippets here and there, which is why I started the article, after buying some of his work.

I am relaxed about using civil registration and census sources. They may be primary sources, but they are still reliable and verifiable, which is what matters. No doubt WP still likes reliable secondary sources much better, but I think it will come around to that point of view in due course. No one seems to go around taking out such notes any more, which was absurd. Moonraker (talk) 01:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Glad to be of use. Meanwhile, I'm afraid that some articles are still being diminished by people who are happy to summarily delete stuff and to repeat WP rules without applying reasonable discretion. On the one hand it makes sense to prefer verifiable secondary sources to primary sources such as bmd's because we have e.g. schoolkids editing here and they can't all be expected to be able to interpret primary sources. On the other hand I have had chunks removed from C19 biographies that I've created, on the grounds of OR due to having to use bmd's and the like in the absence of secondary backup sources, when actually it would have been better to leave the article uncut and to wait for further sources to turn up. That type of editor will often say that ancestors of a biog subject are irrelevant, which is nonsense. Any biography of a successful or talented person will beg the question of where that talent and skill came from, and how on earth they became e.g. a great musician with no musical background. I'm sad to say that that battle against summary deletion of family background sections is not yet won. Storye book (talk) 10:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Wow! Thankyou for this! Storye book (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/2020 Northern Cypriot presidential election
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DYK for City of Ragusa
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November edith-a-thons from Women in Red
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