User talk:Storye book/Archive 30

November music
celebrating GW60 or: the birthday of my first subject -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday, Graham! Storye book (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It was great, and then vacation, and tomorrow leaving to see more friends. Please understand that I won't be helpful for the DYK discussions, - I probably disturb more than clarify anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'm not expecting any specific individuals to take part. I am just following a principle that I believe in (that the public is way more intelligent than the Media pretends to think it is), and anyone is welcome to contribute their views if they want to. Insistence on one DYK rule has over the years driven out many nominators, who might have agreed with me. Most specialist article-editors probably have not even seen the discussion, because they are no longer involved in DYK.


 * I think my ploy on that concerto nom is the only thing that we can do now, to give that type of article an airing: to make it (a) superficially hooky for whatever "general reader" they have in mind - but at the same time (b) (without the "general reader" noticing) hooky in a different way for the aficionado of that article subject. The intelligent reader will always make that connection. The technique is the same as that used for some children's writers, such as A. A. Milne: superficially amusing for children, but at the same time (unnoticed by younger children) witty for the parent who is reading it to their child.


 * And that concerto is a brilliant piece of music - thank you for publishing it. Do listen to the the recording which I added to Ext links; the resonance of that piano is unforgettable, right from the beginning. I have been in belfries where the bell has rung, and listened to the sweet resonance carrying on for a long time. That piano has the same quality, and the music brings it out (though to make that happen, they must have tuned the piano specially for the piece). What a joy. Have a great time with your friends. Storye book (talk) 16:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll try the listen, but speakers may not do justice to it. I was impressed by the live performance. Opera tomorrow, rarely played Krenek opera at Theater Münster and then today I read that an Italian composer died whose opera was premiered there, of all places! Well, it's the location of the opera's action, but still - and in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for those links. You have some fine theatres there, and some fine composers. Storye book (talk) 17:00, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanksgiving in the U.S. - Bach said it in music for peace --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Opera and Advent choral music on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Storye book (talk) 10:43, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

DYK thanks
Thanks for starting that discussion on DYK. I think you are absolutely right - and it's not just that some top-level subjects go underappreciated (like math, opera, or commercial products), but that important parts of some minority history can only be stated in ways that simply don't interest the majority. I have no way of knowing this, but my hunch is that many articles about black history have poor view counts if they don't explicitly discuss racism, violence, or pain. ( says, about how genocide is discussed, but applicable to all sorts of things: "this 'pornographic' discourse saturating the West, a discourse that turns Black pain and suffering into a spectacle for white/Western audiences ... and this white-mandated performance requires white audiences to bear witness to the ontological otherness of Blackness".) I will say as an aside that precisely because of this framing about "broad interest", I have selected not to nominate almost any of the black American newspaper articles I have created, and the one I remember nominating performed very poorly. Discussions at DYK are almost always upsetting, otherwise I'd participate [ and hey, I need to watch my blood pressure ;) ] - so thanks for starting it up, and best of luck. Urve (talk) 10:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind comment. And I commiserate with you on the difficulty of presenting some subjects at DYK. In the UK we don't see so many publications trying to encourage readership by merely publishing black suffering. In fact, what I have seen in the decades since the Civil Rights movement has been a gradual change towards something mostly good. There will always be the bad stuff, but I think the good stuff has been winning out here for a while.


 * And social needs change the presentation, too, don't they. I remember Sydney Poitier in his heyday complaining that he was under pressure to portray only successful good guys, so that he could be a role model for young people. But he wanted more challenging acting roles, because baddies are much more interesting to play than good guys. But he had this duty at that time, when he was almost the only one up there, on the big screen, who was able to do it for the young people. I wish he were still here to see the great change in acting opportunities which came from the beginnings that he created in film. In the UK, at least, most TV series are happy to include actors from any background in any roles - although of course things could always be improved a great deal.


 * But that is only my opinion - people in other social groups here in the UK might be seeing something very different. The news tells us, for example, that refugees crossing over to the UK are being treated extremely badly by the authorities. On the other hand, that publicity may bring about the change that we need. I hope so. Storye book (talk) 12:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

dyk
Hey, SB, I've been there, so know it can be very frustrating and demoralizing when an RfC doesn't go the way you very much believe it should. I'm sorry for that. Best to you. Valereee (talk) 19:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for reaching out, very sweet. But don't worry. On the contrary, it's fine because the process for decision was ultimately fair, being done by a neutral, uninvolved person, and that is what I was looking for. I have thanked them, and credited their closure on the requests for closure page.


 * I had already adjusted to the expected outcome of ALT 0 or 5, on one of the current DYK templates, and I have been working on a way to satisfy both 0 and 5 while at the same time (without undermining that guideline) see that Gerda gets a little something for her audience. Leeky and Gerda appear to be OK with it so far, though of course it isn't easy, and I won't be able to always achieve that. I guess we are all doing our best in our different ways. All the best. Storye book (talk) 20:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CC, December 2022
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Happy Holidays
And a very happy holiday to you to! Storye book (talk) 21:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

December music
We sang Charpentier's delightful Messe de minuit pour Noël today, which was on DYK yesterday, - a first for me, pictured, - thank you for all your creative work for DYK, - please check out Galina Pisarenko, - not for approval, just mediation or however we call what's needed when someone thinks people won't know Shostakovich, and we have to adjust to that instead of telling them who he was. - Enjoy the season! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:35, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. Storye book (talk) 12:25, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * lol --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And a Happy New year to you too! Storye book (talk) 19:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Ronald Arthur Hopwood 1918.JPG
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 * This correctly-sized, rationaled and licensed image was being used correctly in the article. It has now been orphaned, because a too-large image with an incorrect licence and no rationale has been used by another editor to replace it. I have tried to put the correctly-licensed image back into the article, but that editor has reverted it. I have informed an administrator, in the hope that they can sort this out. Storye book (talk) 22:34, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As I've already tried to explain to you through edit summaries, this work is free in the US, where Wikipedia is based, as it was first published abroad, in the UK, before 1927 (see PD-US-expired-abroad). This is not Commons where works have to be out of copyright in both the source country and the US, local files only need to be free in the US to be hosted here. Therefore, there is no need for any rationale, the licence is correct and size is not a problem. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 23:38, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have replied on Mike Peel's talkpage. Storye book (talk) 12:08, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red January 2023
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 * This image has now been re-licensed as free in the US (being dated 1918), and no longer needs to be in an article. Therefore it is no longer subject to deletion. Storye book (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Ronald Arthur Hopwood


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 * This above category is not empty. Storye book (talk) 10:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Category:Ronald Arthur Hopwood has been nominated for deletion
Category:Ronald Arthur Hopwood has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:05, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Replied at the discussion's entry, as linked above. Storye book (talk) 19:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023
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Incomplete DYK nomination
Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Elena Manistina at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step III of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with db-g7, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 04:28, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I have updated the nomination template, and returned it to the nom page. Storye book (talk) 10:03, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It depresses me how much extra work you got while I enjoy vacation. It will not happen again; opera singers will have to do without me covering them. I'll go for the places in my life, - where I am is just extraordinary! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries, Gerda - I decided to do the extra work - no-one made me do it. And my contributions did not take long, anyway. The real hard work has been done by the editors who have added more sources to the article - and that is great - we now have a stronger article, without the tag. We can celebrate. I am just waiting now, to see whether any editor of the article comes to the nom template to tell us that we can continue the nom. You can enjoy your holiday. Storye book (talk) 10:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I do enjoy holiday, very much so, great company and more to come - no time for anything else. Thanks for all your help with Manistina, and that will be for sure my last nom, - enough is enough. We had DYK for facts and stories, which was fun, and now we have DYK for quirky hooks and stats (and competition) which is no fun for me. I do appreciate the help of those who helped with refs, and when I'll have time I'll tell them. I'll upload more pics now, yesterday (rainbows) and today (highest mountain), - will see how far get. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you're having a good time. I agree with your point of view about hooks. I have been doing my best to adapt to the current DYK system, but that does not mean that I am happy with it. I think that the main problem is that DYK is being dumbed down. That is a pity, because it is always better on so many levels to assume a good level of intelligence and knowledge in any audience. Audiences get bored if you don't stretch their minds. It doesn't matter if they have not heard of somebody or something, because if it is worth knowing we can link it. Just fooling people with quirky hooks to make them click, so as to get mere clock-numbers is pointless, in my opinion. Newspapers and other Media need to have circulation numbers and click numbers to get advertising - that is the only reason - and WP does not need to do that. So I am wondering whether people are importing ideas, about counting clicks, which do not belong here. I am not sure whether I shall be contributing any more articles to DYK myself, although I may continue to help out with DYK reviewing if asked. So hang on in there - you are not on your own, as I'm sure you know. And you are hugely respected and appreciated for your work. That is what is important. Storye book (talk) 22:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the support! I got to yesterday's pics, but am too tired for sifting today's. Keep watching: some are good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I shall! Storye book (talk) 04:23, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll talk on Main page ERRORS about a hook in which the name of the subject could be exchanged - that can't be a good hook about the subject, imho. On the Main page now Elisabeth Waterhouse, and what is said can be said only about her. Article from 2 Nov, her son's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The Elizabeth Waterhouse hook on the main page looks good to me. Storye book (talk) 11:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * And also to me. Article from 2 Nov 2023 (her son's birthday). We could almost have waited for her 90th birthday next month. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, it's a good start to the year (if we can.ignore the other nonsense). Storye book (talk) 05:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello Storye book, since there is a and an article in Italian if a (red) wikilink on the article would be a better idea and leave one image in the gallery of Lady Godiva, adding some other works from this great sculptor on the article dedicated to him. Thank you for your thoughts Lotje (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have replaced the spare Godiva images with pix of other works by Thomas as requested. But I'm not sure what you want the red link for? There is already a link to the Lady Godiva article in the John Thomas (sculptor) article.. Storye book (talk) 18:00, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks great now, the is not the same as , , ,  and so many others...,   A read link would mean someone knowledgable could write an article on Lady Godiva (by John Thomas) Cheers Lotje (talk) 04:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I see what you mean, now. Storye book (talk) 05:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Evgeny Belyaev
Can you take a look now? tried to make it somehow better :-) Lotje (talk) 07:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your hard work. There are just too many changes for me to be able to check that there are no facts or surviving links missing - I'll have to take your word on that. That is the problem with bots - there is too much to check. "Amazon" is now a disambig, and in the refs you can see a red error alert. Hope that helps. Storye book (talk) 11:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Storye book for looking in to this. Hopefully another both will be toddling around some day and fix that red error alert problem. Lotje (talk) 11:58, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I did it. The faulty citation was re the song Motherland - in his last recorded album, when he was 65. After all that shouting as a lyric tenor in the 60s, he realised that there were certain songs that he was not yet able to do. Maybe Russian romance songs are for the older voice, anyway. So in the 70s he retrained with Yevgeny Kanger (superb teacher) for the romances. Leonid Kharitonov (a bass baritone) was able to do both throughout his career, but Kharitonov had a natural voice. Belyaev did not - for Belyaev it was all very hard work on the voice, though he had the right musical brain. Kharitonov used to joke that Belyaev needed a mic, and that he, Kharitonov, never did. OK they were rivals, but they were both brilliant in different ways. Storye book (talk) 12:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Alexandrov Ensemble soloists
, tried to enhance this page, but the translations seem like a mess. What would you suggest? Thanks. Lotje (talk) 15:33, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's not your fault. Editors in the past have messed up the refs because the bots can't handle Russian translation to English, and neither can those editors. And instead of reverting their own work, they've left it like that. On top of that, it's a sensitive page, because, as you know, most of the choir was killed in a plane crash a few Christmases ago, and the choir has now been painstakingly rebuilt. Therefore the page should be rebuilt with care. I shall go back to an early version, and rebuild it from there. However I have a lot of long articles on my plate right now, and really need to finish that work before starting another major job like that. Please bear with me. I shall do it soon. Please don't use a bot on any of the other articles related to the Ensemble; that would only make it worse. Thank you so much for your kind attempts to improve these articles so far. Storye book (talk) 16:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your advise. If I can be of any assistance, just ring the bell Lotje (talk) 16:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind consideration. We are all doing our best here, but these old articles in a foreign language do need correcting bit by bit, by hand. Bots can't source a new replacement citation for a deadlink, but we can do that. Thank you for your understanding. Storye book (talk) 16:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)