User talk:Storye book/Archive 6

Leonid Mikhailovich Kharitonov
Hi. Please could you kindly explain exactly which elements of the page have a copyright issue and why? This page is a team effort by me, MKharitonov and DSJersey.

Normally we expect it to be the ogg files and the images which have copyright issues. It so happens that MKharitonov owns the copyright to all the videos, images and sound recordings in this article together with his father, Leonid Kharitonov. He arranged the upload of all the ogg files under his own copyright (with the assistance of DSJersey), and I've checked them - they're all max 30 secs anyway.

Please let me know what I can do to resolve any issues which worry you here, and I'll see that it gets done. For example, the screenshots were given to me to upload, at my request, by MKharitonov who took them from the original directors' tapes created back in the 60s or whenever. This is because he is in a position to create the screenshots because the tapes are in Moscow and so is he, and at that time I knew how to upload images to Wiki and he didn't (he was new to Wikipedia then).

So is this because you want him to upload the screenshots directly, himself? Or is your tag about something else that we haven't yet noticed? I should add that although Leonid Kharitonov has not orchestrated this article and has had no direct influence on it, he certainly has full knowledge of it, and of course is in a position to veto anything he disapproves of. If there were any violation of his copyright, we would know about it. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 18:33, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I am working off the database report of articles with excessive non-free media files, which reports that there are 16 in this article. If some of the images and/or sound files are in fact being used with permission and have been released under a Wikipedia compatible license (see WP:COPYREQ), could you re-tag them please?  Unfortunately though, if they're being used with permission but haven't been released, we still have to class them as non-free (because they're still copyrighted for downstream users) which means they need to pass all ten criteria at WP:NFCC, which some of these don't.  Hope that makes sense - if not, get back to me.  I'm not going to remove anything from the article straight away because of the warning tag anyway. Black Kite (t) (c) 18:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your prompt reply. After a quick glance at the link you sent, my guess is that MKharitonov wrote on Leonid Kharitonov's website (as webmaster) that the sound files could be used on Wikipedia and that other users had to ask permission - and that is what has caused the problem. At this point I think the solution would be to ask MKharitonov to please kindly re-upload all the ogg files and the screenshots under his own copyright license for free use.  I have not yet asked him, but I can't see that he or Leonid Kharitonov would object to free use licences of the 30-sec oggs or of the screenshots. Assuming that they agree to this - would this strategy solve the problem?  I need to know this for sure before asking unnecessarily, and would be most grateful if you would please kindly check this out, since you tagged the page.


 * Personally I don't see how it could fully solve the problem. Firstly, there are no tags on the image/ogg files, which makes me wonder what the bot is referring to. Secondly, there are in total 12 images/oggs on the page, and not 16.  And two of the images are definitely fully free images (Gori Gori screenshot and military ID photo). That means we are only accounting for 10 images/oggs which have permission for Wikipedia use only (if that is what the issue is). So that is why I need to ask you to identify the offending items precisely before we can go any further.--Storye book (talk) 19:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the bot assumes that anything that isn't tagged as a free file automatically isn't one (erring on the side of caution, correctly in this case). But yes, you're right in that licensing the 30sec OGG files correctly would solve that problem. Black Kite (t) (c) 19:29, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm really struggling with the ogg copyrights, rules and licences, as I have never uploaded one myself. Please could you kindly send me a link to a page which tells me exactly what licences are available under what rules, and which confirms the 30-second rule?  I have been searching since I found your tag, and cannot find such a page on en.Wiki or Commons.  I need to find a correct licence and to ask DSJersey to adjust the lengths of recordings if necessary (because I can cope with licences but not with sound editing). Or would a normal self|cc-by-3.0 licence be the right one, if MKharitonov uploads them all himself to Commons? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 19:43, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ** Yes, as long as he owns the original copyright then a normal CC 3.0 license to Commons would be fine, or as per WP:COPYREQ, a WP:CC-BY-SA licence to en.wiki. Incidentally, there is no 30-second limit on sound files; all copyrighted sound files are automatically fair use regardless of length; the 30-second limit is to ensure that they can be used as fair use without breaking copyright laws external to Wikipedia.  The relevant page is WP:SAMPLE, by the way. Black Kite (t) (c) 19:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind help. I'll see if we can get the ogg files sorted out, and then I'll ask you to see if the bot will accept that. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 21:08, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Walworth Castle
You Asked: Hi. Thank you for the edits. I noticed you replaced the minus sign with a normal hyphen. I always used normal hyphens until I submitted an article for GA status, when I was told to replace every hyphen in the readable text with the minus sign. I've been doing this since, but am puzzled by it, especially now that you have reverted one of the minus signs to a normal hyphen. So which is correct for Wiki? And is there a reason for it? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 15:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm hardly the Font of All Things Wiki, but as I understand it from many years in editing of many varieties, a proper hyphen is to bring text together, while an "en-dash"/minus sign/short dash separates items. Thus, a reference to, say, a "roll-about" would take a hyphen, but the character between a person's birth and death years would be a en-dash. (Aha.  See WP:HYPHEN) --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 15:43, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:Civil parishes in County Durham
Hi Storye book. Thanks for your message, which I very much appreciated. I've left you a reply on my Talk page. Skinsmoke (talk) 13:30, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

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Lost settlements in the United Kingdom
I stumbled here via User_talk:Brunnian by following traces left by whilst trying to clarify Gesta Herwardi, Gesta Herewardi (probably just a mis-spelling) and de Gestis Herwardi Saxonis. Anyway, to the point. Would a possible site of the Lost Village of Cratendune and a previous location for what is now Little Thetford qualify for being tagged Template:Lost settlements in the United Kingdom? Neither place have an article (as yet) but both sites exist as follows Both sites are in the boundaries of Little Thetford and Cratendune is mentioned in the Little Thetford article (I should get round to mentioning the previous village site one day). Does the site need to have its own separate article to be tagged as a lost settlement? --Senra (talk) 13:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Lost village of Cratendune
 * Medieval settlement remains, Little Thetford

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