User talk:Supétudiant

August 2020
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Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Geghamavan, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that.   — Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 11:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Khachaghbyur, you may be blocked from editing. '' Please stop removing references without explanation. Thank you. '' — Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 12:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Deceptive editing
Supétudiant, you have deleted information on several pages without explaining why in an Edit summary. You have also marked all of your edits as "minor", which is not appropriate. The definition of a minor edit is: "...only superficial differences exist between the current and previous versions. Examples include typographical corrections, corrections of minor formatting errors, and reversion of obvious vandalism. A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute". Your edits have removed substantive content from the articles, so they are clearly not minor.

You may or may not be right that the content you have deleted should be removed from Wikipedia, but you are not following our rules about how to do it. I recommend that you stop removing information from the articles, and instead start a discussion on the attached Talk pages about why you think that content should be removed.

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. --Macrakis (talk) 20:08, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Missing sources
All content on Wikipedia should ideally be supported by reliable sources. That doesn't mean that material that isn't should be deleted, unless it is frankly wrong. --Macrakis (talk) 14:19, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, please discuss your changes on the talk page if they are disputed, don't just revert to your preferred version (WP:EDITWAR). --Macrakis (talk) 14:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —specifically this edit to Kizilshafak—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 18:01, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk
Thanks for your message on my Talk page. Comments about page content should go on the page's Talk page (see Talk at the top left of the article page), not on personal Talk pages. I have no involvement in the Armenian and Georgian situations, by the way. I just want to see Wikipedia develop properly. Your pattern of edits suggests that you have an agenda, which you need to be careful about. --Macrakis (talk) 18:04, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Spitak
Our policy around here is assume good faith, but it is hard to do that when you delete content that I just added a source for in response to your previous comment that there were no sources. Did you consult the source? I have made sure on this edit to include only exactly what it supports. --Macrakis (talk) 19:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Continued reference removal
Despite our recent conversation, you have again removed a reference without adequately explaining why. Consider this a final warning: If you don't stop blanking out sources and start communicating, I will be forced to take this matter to ANI. Thank you. — Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 13:04, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry If I removed sources. You can put back. Sincerly, Supétudiant.


 * First of all, you should sign all your Talk comments with  --~ , which includes the date and time and your name.
 * Second, apologizing and asking User:Blablubbs to fix the damage you've caused is not sufficient. You should clean up your own mess..
 * Third, at this point, it seems clear that you are mass removing information which you don't like. There is no evidence that you are doing any research and none of your edits have any sources.
 * Fourth, you continue to systematically lie, saying that all your recent edits are "minor". I informed you that this is inappropriate five days ago, and yet you continue to do it systematically.
 * Given that you have received multiple warnings of your violations of Wikipedia policy, and continue to violate it, I can only conclude that you are editing in bad faith.
 * I will now revert ALL your edits.
 * Stop hand nuvola.svg This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. --Macrakis (talk) 14:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You may or may not be correct that the Azerbaijani names don't belong in these articles, but at this point, you have systematically violated Wikipedia rules so flagrantly, that we have to sanction your behavior, even if you are correct on the facts. If it fact you are correct, you have just done yourself a great disservice. --Macrakis (talk) 14:50, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome and some advice
You asked me how you can follow Wikipedia rules for correcting articles. I'm including our standard Welcome message below, which unfortunately no one thought to post on your Talk page yet. One important policy that I will underline given your past behavior is the policy on neutral point of view, and also the essay on nationalist editing. We strive to convey historical information from all points of view. For example, even though I am Greek, I think it is important to reflect the Ottoman history of most of Greece in our articles, and to show the historical Ottoman Turkish names, even if they are completely obsolete today. In most of the Ottoman Empire, there were mixed populations, so a town in Anatolia may have multiple ancient names (Hittite, Urartian, Greek, ...), multiple historical names (Modern Greek, Ottoman Turkish, Armenian, Arabic, Assyrian, ...), and multiple modern names (Turkish, Arabic, Kurdish, ...). The tragedies of ethnic cleansing and genocide do not cancel out the historical existence of these multiple names.

As for the names of towns in Armenia, I think you need to assume good faith on the part of other editors. If there is an Ottoman or Azerbaijani name given for a town, it is unlikely that it was made up from zero. Perhaps there was a Turkic-speaking or Laz-speaking population in that town in the past, which may have been a minority or majority population. Perhaps the town was ruled by a Turkish-speaking (or Russian-speaking, or ...) government, which assigned a Turkish name to the town even though the inhabitants were all Armenian. Of course, it is best if these names can be documented in reliable sources, but the lack of a reliable source should not lead to immediate deletion, unless you have good evidence that it is wrong (though of course proving a negative is always hard).

Another thing to be careful about is "what you learned in school". I don't know where you have studied, but in many countries, the history that is taught in school is selective and biased, and doesn't necessarily correspond to international scholarly opinion. So just because your instructors or your government says something does not mean that we will accept it on Wikipedia.

Above all, act as though other editors are your respected colleagues, and not idiots or enemies. Try to persuade them rather than just bulldozing over them. And be honest. Your systematic use of "this is a minor edit" when you were removing substantive content is a black mark against your reputation here. You will have to try super-hard to be cooperative and constructive for the next few months if you want to re-build your reputation. --Macrakis (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hi Supétudiant! I noticed your contributions and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay.

As you get started, you may find this short tutorial helpful:

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Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date.

Happy editing! --Macrakis (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

How to edit productively
Thanks for your message. I suggest that you start by reading the material above. If you can't follow the simple requirement to sign your Talk page contributions with --~, then I have to wonder whether you've bothered to read the articles pointed to in the Welcome text above.

In particular, I urge you to study the WP:NPOV policy closely. This says that instead of removing (say) the Azerbaijani name for a town you believe has always been Armenian, you mention that "according to Azerbaijani sources", its Azerbaijani name is X. Even better if you can find reliable, third-party sources about the historical inhabitants of the town. There are, after all, Ottoman censuses which (for the areas that they cover) tell us roughly how many Christian vs. Muslim households there were in a given town or region (though they might not distinguish between Armenian and Georgian Christians). --Macrakis (talk) 15:31, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

July 2022
Please refrain from using talk pages such as Talk:Azerbaijanis in Armenia for general discussion of the topic or other unrelated topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways, based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines; they are not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See here for more information. Thank you. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

August 2022
Hello, I'm Dr.Pinsky. I noticed that in this edit to Masis, Armenia, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 17:13, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry but I edited an article and I've been blocked. I need explanation. Supétudiant (talk) 18:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. ... disco spinster   talk  18:48, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry but I edited an article and I've been blocked. I need explanation. Supétudiant (talk) 18:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Can I have the possibility to re-edit again ? Thanks Supétudiant (talk) 18:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You have been warned repeatedly about removing significant amounts of content with no explanation and continued to do so. Therefore your editing privileges have been removed. ... disco spinster   talk  18:59, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's really authoritarian and against the liberty of each individuals the procedure of wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for letting false informations on a worldwide web encyclopedia. Supétudiant (talk) 19:04, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If a Wikipedia article contains absurd information should you let this ? Anyway, Wikipedia is for just for that not a recognized and a correct academic source.
 * Articles are written by uncultivated persons with propaganda aim. Is Wikipedia a place for kids to write absurd information ? By AWARE of this. Supétudiant (talk) 19:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That is generally what people say when their own biased editing is reverted from articles. If you had a proper reason to remove the information and references you would have made that clear. ... disco spinster   talk  22:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)