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WikiCup 2012 May newsletter
We're halfway through round 3 (or the quarter finals, if you prefer) and things are running smoothly. We're seeing very high scoring; as of the time of writing, the top 16 all have over 90 points. This has already proved to be more competative than this time last year- in 2011, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 was the lowest qualifying score. People have also upped their game slightly from last round, which is to be expected as we approach the end of the competition. Leading Pool A is, whose points have mostly come from a large number of did you knows on marine biology. Pool B's leader,, is for the first time not our highest scorer at the time of newsletter publication, but his good articles on The X-Files and Millenium keep him in second place overall. leads Pool C, our quietest pool, with content in a variety of areas on a variety of topics. Pool D is led by, our current overall leader. Nearly half of Casliber's points come from his triple-scored Western Jackdaw, which is now a featured article.

This round has seen an unusually high number of featured lists, with nearly one in five remaining participants claiming one, and one user,, claiming two. Miyagawa's featured list, 1936 Summer Olympics medal table, was even awarded double points. By comparison, good article reviews seem to be playing a smaller part, and featured topics portals remain two content-types still unutilised in this competition. Other than that, there isn't much to say! Things are coming along smoothly. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:46, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Indentation thread at ANI
Hi, Bushranger! Thanks again for your comment in the thread at ANI that prompted Blade to block IP 209..6.69.227. Just thought I'd let you know that I've replied to your post there, with information I've just discovered: It turns out that editors are required to use normal indentation, after all. Who knew? --OhioStandard (talk) 09:53, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Amelia Earhart (miniseries)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Amelia Earhart: The Final Flight
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

listas
I noticed you were adding listas to WikiProject Florida banners. FYI... listas parameter only goes into WikiProject Biography banners on biography articles. All other banners will use this value. Bgwhite (talk) 18:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahh, thanks. The listas= was in the coding long ago when I first started using it, so I've always included it. Thanks for letting me know it piggybacks from . - The Bushranger One ping only 23:21, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have that problem too. Finally learn a rule and it goes and gets changed.  If you do put a listas value in a different banner to override the default form the biography banner, make sure it is the last banner.  The banner you override listas and any banners below will use the override.  Do to sorting rules, this is a common occurrence in biographies from Iceland.... that is until tomorrow when it gets changed.  Bgwhite (talk) 05:01, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tropical Storm Beryl (2012)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Vandal-count vandal
New user User:Brasilia en bariloche has shown up, and its sole contributions were to vandalize User:Ahunt's Vandal-count userbox. Might be worth keeping an eye on, or even pulling its plug. Some peopel just have too much time on their hands! Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 12:07, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I did personally thank Bill for reverting that, but I have to add that as far as vandalism goes that was too lame! It might have even been some sort of test edits. - Ahunt (talk) 13:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Lame, indeed! They seem to have gone quiet; lemme know if they pop back up and the whackamole hammer is needed. - The Bushranger One ping only 15:54, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems very odd as well as lame, especially for a new user. Makes me think maybe someone has an old beef with Adam. - BilCat (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My thoughts as well. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:14, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't think who. Obviously not much of a beef, or it would have been a bit more creative, I would think. - Ahunt (talk) 20:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Fain Skinner
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Robbie Faggart
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Hiding separate DYK noms
In T:TDYK, you hid the noms, and I was not notified about it. Because of that, I was informed that the process was... "incompleted" by the bot, which bot has mistaken. Why hiding it? --George Ho (talk) 23:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Er...I have no idea whatsoever what you're trying to say? Hiding what noms, and how 'hidden'? Confused! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:50, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see now. You've got the wrong person - I didn't do that, that was User:BlueMoonset. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:51, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Fain Skinner
The WP:CAT guideline indicates that categories should follow an order that is most useful to Wikipedia readers. In general, readers look for people according to what they are, because that's what makes them unique compared to other people. In the case of Fain Skinner, that's NASCAR driver. The least useful is whether a person is alive or dead, when they were born and where they are from. Many of Wikipedia's articles follow this general guideline. Therefore, your recent category changes to Fain Skinner are being reverted. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * More useful to the readers is a standardised sequence, and the vast majority of NASCAR drivers' pages use the format: Living person/DOB, DOB/DOD, where from, racing driver from, racing series. Also WP:BRD says that this should have been fully discussed before you reverted it back. It's BRD, not BRD+R. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for M16 (rocket)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Casey Roderick
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for 2012 Coca-Cola 600
!Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

QPQ
Hi Bushranger, have you done a QPQ review for Template:Did you know nominations/No. 7 Elementary Flying Training School RAAF? Otherwise the nomination looks fine. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 19:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * QPQ is only required for self nominations. :)- The Bushranger One ping only 20:01, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, funny how I never realized that. I wonder what else I don't know? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If we knew everything, we could never learn anything, and what a sorry world that would be. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 20:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:Trout
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:Trout. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. C3F2k (Questions, comments, complaints?) 20:58, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This is the second time you'd demonstrated a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia policy, as well as demonstrating that you will disrupt Wikipedia to make a point in a retaliatory fashion. A word of advice: this is not the way you go about working torwards adminship. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:07, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I am just frustrated about it, thats all. And also what was the first time? C3F2k (Questions, comments, complaints?) 21:10, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing to do when frustrated is to step away from Wikipedia, get a nice cup of tea, and maybe go kill some creepers or Metroids - heavens know I have to do that often enough. :) The first time was mentioned here, shooting from the hip (as it were) at seeing 'google' when it was a Google Books link to a WP:RS. The thing to do is to take a deep breath, relax, and realise it's just Wikipedia - when you do that, things are a lot less stressful and frustrating, and you build a reputation as somebody level-headed, neutral, and respected who people want to throw the tools at whether they want it or not. ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 21:20, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Panicum abscissum
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

"Clearly they're de facto absent."
I LOLed. : ) - Burpelson AFB ✈ 15:14, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Mission accomplished! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 15:47, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Loser IP drive-by again

 * Hey BR, been hit twice today by a loser IP, the pipsqueak added this and then labelled me as a vandal; next, according to him now I'm a troll. Think its time to semi-protect my talk page again? Oh and by the way, could you please help to change visibility of 2 revision on my talk page? Thanks~! -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like somebody beat me to the revdel. And yeah, semiprotection looks logical here...sigh! SPP for a week for now. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Edits like this make me realize how wrong I was about User_Talk:Dave1185 being uncivil toward IP users. 174.238.194.154 (talk) 16:30, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Edits like that make life hard for IP users who are actually here to improve the encyclopedia. The only trolling involved here isn't coming from Dave. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should look at the commented I revert an his history and reëvaluate that. And sorry to pollute your talk page with this nonsense. << — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.238.194.154 (talk) 16:34, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Been there, saw that, got the T-shirt. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't we all? Thanks again, btw. And as a famous internet meme goes: "Loser IP is losing it ~!" -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:20, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't we all? Thanks again, btw. And as a famous internet meme goes: "Loser IP is losing it ~!" -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:20, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Two articles
Douglas M. Webster and 1965 Philippine Sea A-4 crash look very alike. It's the same subject

Two questions 1- Is the 65 incident notable enough for a standalone article in your opinion? 2- If it is, I think the Webster article should be merged or redirected into the 65 one. Would I nominate Webster for deletion or can we just do a WP:BOLD redirect? Webster has been through a AFD before but now there is the incident article. People known for just one event just like in the case of Cecilia Cichan should apply here.

Hope to hear back from you....William 17:23, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, that's an incident I hadn't heard of before. I'm not sure it's copied; however (getting ahead of myself a little) it needs to be merged into from Webster's article. To answer your questions: 1. I'd say that as a Broken Arrow incident, the event is notable. The pilot, however, is not (WP:1E, WP:SOLDIER). So I'd suggest WP:BOLDly merging the information in Webster's article to the 1965 incident article and Webster redirected there. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you want to do the merge? I can do it, I just have never done it with a living person article....William 18:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * BLPs are daunting, but once you do them you realise they're really no big deal. :) I'm working on another article at the moment (Dan Pardus) but can check things over for you after you do the merge if you want. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:31, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hurricane Bud (2012)
The DYK project (nominate) 00:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Emerson Newton-John
The DYK project (nominate) 16:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dyott Bomber
The DYK project (nominate) 16:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

CfD ‎Discussions awaiting closure
I reverted your addition of Categories for discussion/Log/2012 May 31 to the "‎Discussions awaiting closure" section of Categories for discussion/Working.

Discussions are supposed to remain open for at least 7 days, and the last of the May 31 discussions won't reach that point until 22:56 UTC on June 7th. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:46, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:49, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Your input and opinions are requested.
I have created a rough draft of what could become WP:EASYMONEY at User:Dennis Brown/EASYMONEY for the purpose of helping COI editors actually understand what they are doing wrong, how to fix it, and how to actually become a contributor instead of a liability. I'm trying to avoid all the adhoc speeches given to the growing number of PR and marketing firms that are joining us, and at the same time avoid taking a stand on the policy or politics of the issue. I am interested in your opinion of the wisdom of this. If you like the concept, please feel free to participate or modify in any way you choose. I'm not married to any format or details in this, it is just a rough draft at this point. I will drop this same note to a few other editors whom I feel would be beneficial in considering this page. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;   &copy;  14:53, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, aside from needing some grammar tweaks, it looks pretty good from here! - The Bushranger One ping only 15:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I wrote it this morning in a rush, wanting a more standardized way to deal with what is becoming a recurring issue here. I appreciate you taking the time.   Dennis Brown  -  2&cent;   &copy;  17:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad to help out. My position is that paid editing incorporates an inherent and inescapable COI/NPOV issue ("don't make the 'customer' happy = don't get paid = subconsious whitewashing), but I'm not the guy to raise a stink if the majority wants to allow it - but there needs to be a guideline (either little- or big-G) for it, and that's an excellent start. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 17:40, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Huites Dam
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:06, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

NATO names
I've ticked off your Polish helicopter. However just seen your "Rebuild NATO reporting names lists". I agree - I think what we need is more than this though. Have you seen the table in Zaloga's The Kremlin's Nuclear Sword? Some missiles had a treaty name, as well as a Russian codename, a GRAU index and a NATO reporting name! It could get unmanageable really easily (and I'm not sure about the rules on including this kind of info) but table/s listing all this would be wonderful, don't you think? Secretlondon (talk) 18:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You ticked off a helicopter, eh? ;) Yeah, those really do need some work - I haven't seen that book yet, maybe I should poke the local library's interlibrary loan service. Sortable tables on those articles would indeed be awesome, if my muse decides to steer me away from NASCAR article work... - The Bushranger One ping only 18:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Status has smiled at you!
 Hello The Bushranger, Status has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.  Statυs (talk) 19:26, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ^_^ - The Bushranger One ping only 23:16, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Point very much taken, and understood
Obvious personal attacks are obvious. Will email you.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

File:Dick Berggren 2010.jpg
You need to add reliable evidence to the image description that it was taken in 2011. Having EXIF off by exactly a year is possible, but not very common. I'll revert the last move then. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 05:40, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you'll look at the gallery on the Flickr site it's from, it's the "Coke 600 2011" gallery, which contains a number of shots of cars that only ran in 2011. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 05:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Galleries are often mistyped, but the EXIF data stays with the image (we can erase it locally, but not on flickr), and you'll get the file moved again later. Thus I would add a note to the description that the EXIF data is incorrect, and back it up with something more reliable. Materialscientist (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Added a link to the official season schedule there. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:54, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The flickr source gives no details except for "Dick Berggren" and date (no place, etc.), i.e., you interpret the image. Are you absolutely positive the whole image set if off by a year? If yes, I'll move the image (but be prepared that someone will get back - the current evidence and explanation are weak). Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, positively, 100%. The most compelling evidence is this, in the same gallery. Note that this too is dated "May 29, 2010" by metadata; however this car and team did not exist during the 2010 season, rather, the 2011 season. Therefore this photograph is uncontroversially with a 'off by one year' date, which happens to be the same date in contention, as it is impossible for it to have been taken in 2010. Since this, clearly erronious, date, is the same as on the photograph in question, and the photograph is in the same gallery, it's a more than reasonable case that the Dick Berggren photograph was taken on the same date as the No. 60 car photograph. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:17, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar
✭ for. pablo 14:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jimmy Makar
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Hey there, I left you a couple responses at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 1 and Categories for discussion/Log/2012 May 31. I asked if you would consider voting on the renaming proposals before we consider the deletion proposals. It would speed up the process and I do believe we would get more done and have a more productive conversation by getting incremental consensus, step by step. Let me know what you think. CaseyPenk (talk) 06:34, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you consider my proposals? We're really not going to achieve anything if we're debating two separate issues in the same discussion. I'm simply asking that we reach consensus on one topic at a time. CaseyPenk (talk) 01:28, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the whole point of the discussion is to consider the thing as a whole, not "X, later Y", necessarily. I believe that my position should stand, as it is how I feel on the issue. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 03:36, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dan Pardus
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for 1998 Pepsi 400
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Taddeo d'Este
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

A bahnstah for you!

 * With Bugs having a reduced presence there, somebody has to fill the role of Clown Prince. ;) Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 03:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tim Schendel
Yngvadottir (talk) 08:03, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I got a charge when I saw one of my images on the main page! I really enjoy taking and viewing the photos that I get from the Road America Nationwide race each year. Thanks for collaboration.  Royal broil  01:23, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And you get to take some more in two weeks! ;) Keep up the good work and keep 'em coming, they're awesome and it's great to see your excellent work! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for No. 7 Elementary Flying Training School RAAF
Orlady (talk) 00:04, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for nominating this! Nick-D (talk) 00:10, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No problemo! - The Bushranger One ping only 00:10, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ross Chastain
Orlady (talk) 00:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Joe and Joey
Hi. Thanks for your message w/r/t Joey McCarthy. I have a few random musings to share... Unfortunately, this earlier unrelated DYK nom has led me to surmise that the majority of the people who look at DYK have no clue who Joe McCarthy was. As for the fact that Joey started racing at age 10, I think many people would find that more interesting when they know he's a race-car driver (and not, for example, a runner). However, it actually makes him a late starter when compared with Trevor Bayne. (LOL). --Orlady (talk) 02:11, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No prob, just thought I'd clarify that...and that's a shame; Those Who Forget History and all that. As for Bayne, heh, indeed - also a shame he finds himself rideless! - The Bushranger One ping only 02:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Terry McCarthy (racing driver)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for China Sky (film)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:04, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Bringing some film articles: The Mountain Road and China Sky back from the dead
Check out The Mountain Road (1960), the only war movie in which James Stewart starred, and China Sky (1945) which featured the RKO Pictures backlot China set that over the years was used as a locale in a number of films and television series. It was originally part of the Jerusalem city for Cecil B. DeMille's The King of Kings (1927) and was also redressed and featured as an Arab village in David O. Selznick's The Garden of Allah (1936). Similar to many of the other treatments, Chinese characters in China Sky were in secondary or subservient roles, with the versatile and highly malleable Anthony Quinn taking on another nationality, having already played countless other roles by 1945, as an Indian, Mafia don, Hawaiian chief, Filipino freedom-fighter, French pirate, Spanish bullfighter and Arab sheik. Quinn as Juan Martínez / Francisco Morez in the The Ox-Bow Incident (1943) actually portrayed a Latin American, his true heritage. Anthony Rudolph Quinn Oaxaca was born on April 21, 1915, in Chihuahua, Mexico, where his Irish Mexican father Francisco (Frank) Quinn had married a Mexican girl of Aztec Indian ancestry, Manuela, while fighting for revolutionary leader Pancho Villa. "FWiW, the original articles were kinda pathetic, but are better now. Bzuk (talk) 03:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC).
 * Good stuff! - The Bushranger One ping only 15:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In checking further, celebrated Chinese actress, Lisa Lu made her screen debut in The Mountain Road. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:21, 11 June 2012 (UTC).

DYK for Joey McCarthy
The DYK project (nominate)) 00:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

How often do you check your emails?

 * Hey BR, you copy that? -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:49, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Usually? When I'm pinged. Didn't see anything from you though. :P - The Bushranger One ping only 00:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Copy that! And... how often do you see stalkers/trolls/malfunctions coming to my talk page to stalk/troll/harass me/my edits? -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 01:03, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fairly often, alas! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:05, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Any advice? FWIW, I think I have suffered fools enough, should I carry on and pretend that they don't exist? -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 01:10, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a variation on what I call "Baby Cockatoo Syndrome" after reading about the behavior in said birds in Bird Talk magazine years ago. If the bird screams loud enough, the owner screams back, and the bird learns that screaming=attention. Best way to avoid it is to ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore the screaming trolls! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:11, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Brilliantly put, very much like Cesar Millan's rationale of not nurturing dogs to behave in those ways. They are animals, they know not what they do but we as humans should forgive them and stop giving them a treat everytime they bark! Alrighty, I shall carry on with ignoring them malfunctions. (PS:Got to go attend family court due to the outstanding estate issue... so I'll see you later, Bushranger. PPS: Hey, it rhymes!) -- Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 01:21, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Sincere Request

 * User:Black Falcon
 * User:BrownHairedGirl
 * User:The Bushranger
 * User:Fayenatic london
 * User:Good Olfactory
 * User:Jc37
 * User:Mike Selinker
 * User:Timrollpickering
 * User:Vegaswikian

Hi. I'm dropping you this note as a request to help.

I just looked at 30 random CfD pages, and based upon that we seem the be the most common closers (those who determine consensus of discussions) at CfD. (If I have overlooked anyone, it is obviously purely an oversight.)

I think we've all been seeing the difficulties that some editors has been having lately concerning some self-asserted bold edits. And how they may be seen by others as disruptive.

I think that at least some of the trouble could be that while most of use are aware of common practice regarding category pages, we really do not have a unified MoS regarding what a category page should look like or include. And so when someone attempts to edit contrary to that understood common practice, it is seen as disruptive.

I'd like to prevent this from happening now or in the future.

So I'm asking you to join in and help edit Manual of Style/Category pages to a point where it reflects consensus and common practice as we understand it. And perhaps finding any new consensus as necessary.

This is obviously not exclusive to only us to discuss (so any lurkers out there would be welcome), I merely thought inviting you all would be a good start : )

(This is not because I think we'll all agree. Honestly, I expect that on some things we'll likely disagree. And that - as I think we all expect - will just help make the results of the discussion better and more useful for everyone, and therefore, more reflective of the greater consensus at Wikipedia.)

I sincerely hope that you will be able to find the time to help out.

Regardless, thank you for your time, and your continued contributions at CfD - jc37 14:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Baltimore and Lehigh Railroad
Yngvadottir (talk) 16:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Dart Skycycle
Thanks for wading in on my talk page! - Ahunt (talk) 10:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:54, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Dennis Fisher
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for PZL SM-4 Łątka
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Danica Patrick
Thanks for pointing out that the IP was changing to agree with the source. I know this because you left an edit summary. Of course if the IP had left an edit summary in the first place...
 * I saw a biggish fish in a stream near where I live the other day. It could have been a carp. Britmax (talk) 09:19, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. And need to carp on it. ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 15:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But I feel so koi about it. --220.255.2.170 (talk) 22:59, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tim Bainey, Jr.
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Victor Gonzalez, Jr.
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Accidental rollback
Sorry, I didn't mean to hit rollback on your talk page, tried to click something else the exact moment the watchlist notices loaded. - SudoGhost 02:26, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I figured that might be the case - that's happened to me a coupla times. No worries! - The Bushranger One ping only 02:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Mountain Road
Hello! Your submission of The Mountain Road at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dipankan ( Have a chat? ) 09:24, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Torpedo Bay Navy Museum
Hi, I've just re-written the hook for this nomination as the original wasn't accurate, and my edit conflicted with your approval! Could you please re-verify the hook? Thanks a lot. Nick-D (talk) 23:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Consider it done! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I really appreciate it. Nick-D (talk) 23:56, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Possible Ryan Kirkpatrick sighting
Here andhere. Editor is here. The spelling in the car crash article is very Ryanish....William 23:22, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ayup, that's him. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose the only way to remove him from the Kenya crash article is to take it to AfD? I'd be happy to have it deleted and Userfied to me, but I guess that's not permitted. YSSYguy (talk) 00:12, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It'd be Kept at AfD; I can revdel his edits though... - The Bushranger One ping only 00:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice work, it's like he was never there. YSSYguy (talk) 08:28, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I reckon it's worth keeping an eye on this guy. It could be just a drongo having a bit of 'fun' but my spidey sense is tingling a bit. 06:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Noticed a new user editing aviation articles, FYI. Nimbus <font style="color:#2F4F4F;">(Cumulus <font style="color:#708090;">nimbus <font style="color:#D3D3D3;">floats by)   20:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ...either that's a Joe job, or he's simply stopped trying... - The Bushranger One ping only 22:22, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Worth a check user. No damage so far, just adding poor images to articles that are already jam packed. Nimbus <font style="color:#2F4F4F;">(Cumulus <font style="color:#708090;">nimbus <font style="color:#D3D3D3;">floats by)   22:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and I've sent it to SPI. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW the user says his name is Ryan Kirkpatrick on commons! example File:Tower Bridge.2.JPG MilborneOne (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * - The Bushranger One ping only 22:43, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think he should get a barnstar for persistence, problem is which account should it be awarded to?!! I've cleaned up the aircraft articles. Nimbus <font style="color:#2F4F4F;">(Cumulus <font style="color:#708090;">nimbus <font style="color:#D3D3D3;">floats by)   23:08, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Just so you are aware, as a sock he has added images in the past; all were copyvios. YSSYguy (talk) 01:33, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * From a quick look at his commons contributions, they may well be taken by him, although he does still seem to have a problem with adding correct copyright tags. They are not of sufficient quality, however, that there will be a great rush to add them to articles.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Question

 * To be clear, was this appropriate? Some anon garbage truck came by to stalk/troll me about this, saying that I'm biting the n00b. Problem is, the n00b has so far contributed nothing constructive out of his 25 edits, only 3 were in article pages while the rest are in beautifying his user page like what Facebook, myspace or friendster was made for in the first place of social networking. Am I wrong? Because, if I'm wrong then god forbid that I've tagged more than a dozen such individuals here on WP with such problems/symptoms. Thoughts? (PS: Thanks for your help in reverting that smelly garbage truck on my page. And yes, he has evolved from them stinky socks, ala Pokemon style. God bless him/her~!) -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow~! The dumpster sure works fast on a Friday... see~? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:55, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If nothing else, that's a WP:FAKEARTICLE that smells strongly of WP:SPAM - notice how prominently Tatra C.S. is mentioned. I've reverted the ipv6's revert accordingly. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * He's back at it again, that pitiful stalker of mine is claerly using several IPs to do his bidding at reverting the WP:FAKEARTICLE. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 01:46, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Greetings -- Dave asked me for a neutral opinion. User pages which look like Wikipedia articles range between two extremes with a lot of gray in the middle.  Once a Wikipedia editor has a considerable amount (yes, big gray area, I know) of good work on the project, there's pretty much no problem with making a user page that looks like a Wikipedia article, about that person.  I've never noticed an objection to an experienced editor doing that.  If the person has made no, or very few edits, then it appears to be use of Wikipedia as a free web host in order to get a highly placed Google hit on one's vanity page -- not kosher.  My recommendation for Riyas202 (I presume you are reading this) -- do some good work on Wikipedia, and then after a few months of good work you will have more latitude.  I also strongly recommend putting some sort of disclaimer at the top of your article, if you do ever rewrite it, "Note:  this page is not a Wikipedia article, but rather a user page for a Wikipedia editor."  You can use , or something similar.  Cheers, Antandrus  (talk) 02:01, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * That's my position too. Just the userpage, with very few other edits...it smells. One could say it's an unusual application of WP:TOOSOON. He keeps adding it back, though. Protection time? - The Bushranger One ping only 02:19, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * BR, do you remember that time I reverted an aspiring writer from India who was using his user page here to do exactly the same thing? IF I'm wrong, some other Admins would have told me about that long time ago, so this IP's accusation that I'm vandalising a user page is ridiculous! -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 02:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Note for people directed here by Dave1185: There is a related discussion at ANI, and the user page in question has been nominated for deletion: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Riyas202. -- Dianna (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Asking for advice
A former Major League Baseball player is editing his own article using up to 3 accounts and has put into his article something I can't verify. The thread is here for a more complete rundown. Were my edits correct even though in a 2011 news article it says he was exonerated?...William 11:14, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied there. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Inception Motorsports
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

time for NSHIPS ?
Thanks for your input on Articles for deletion/Keiler and the links you posted. I think its about time we write a few guidelines that editors can refer to judge the notability of the ship articles. Will save some time at the AfD's on ships. every boat/ship/ferry cannot be notable if it fails GNG. regards-- D<font color="#DA500B">Big X<font color="#10AD00">ray  08:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly, getting new subject-specific guidelines passed is an excercise in furious frustration due to bureaucratic inertia. WP:NASTRO passed but that's the shining exception. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * that may be a concern, agree but a few essential points can be enumerated that can establish notability of the ship articles beyond doubt. These points can be taken from the Keep votes from AFD's having a lot of weight. I feel this is really important because I see a trend, where any ship/boat article is considered notable by default. At times, merely on the basis of verifiability from primary sources and sources related to the subject, completely disregarding the lack of independent (or secondary) coverage. The deletion cases from WP:SHIPS/AFD  were only for WP:CRYSTAL or redirect. If not at this then at least we can have a note somewhere that says any ship article that is verifiable will be Kept, because that is exactly the current consensus, seems to be. -- D<font color="#DA500B">Big X<font color="#10AD00">ray   21:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Strange things keep happening...

 * See, since when did Jack Merridew changed name to David or is Jack trying to impersonate me but without actually doing so? -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 16:59, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Could actuall be his real name? *shrugs* - 21:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My take: highly impossible. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Likely so, likely so. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And the best part was Floq just took it on without looking both ways. -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You two do bad faith really well. Br&#39;er Rabbit fka Jack Merridew (talk) 04:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:16, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It wasn't intended as a compliment. Br&#39;er Rabbit (talk) 04:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Meatpuppets
I've blocked your meatpuppets for 1 month. Feel free to strike any AFD comments that you deem necessary to protect the integrity of the process. Dennis Brown - 2&cent;    &copy;  21:35, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It took me just a second there to realise you were talking about the Bambi Magazine issue. ;) Thanks for the cleanup! - The Bushranger One ping only 21:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope you didn't think I mean your own personal army of meatpuppets, I left those guys alone ;-) Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  22:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * They're nasty little buggers - take your head clean off! ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 00:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Lance Norick
Thanks from Wikipedia and the DYK team Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * No problem, glad to help out! :) - The Bushranger One ping only 21:23, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Decline of Speedy Deletion for Misha B (singer)
Hi Bushranger,

You removed the Speedy Deletion tag for Misha B (singer), because G4 was not appropriate. I don't understand why. The article was previously deleted, only a few weeks ago, via an AfD Articles for deletion/Misha Bryan (singer). There are a couple of editors raising this same page on a regular basis (now the X-factor participants have been released from their contracts), substantially the same, under various names - Misha Bryan, Misha B, Misha B (singer), Misha Bryan (singer). Sionk (talk) 04:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, I didn't see the differently-named AfD, since "Misha Bryan" had previously been speedied. G4 it is. Might want to salt... - The Bushranger One ping only 04:05, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Golly, that was quick! Sionk (talk) 04:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Meep meep! - The Bushranger One ping only 04:13, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Why did you keep deleting this page?
 * Because consensus is she is not yet notable. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This page should not be removed, it is abundantly clear that Misha Bryan has moved beyond X factor with 3 music releases since that show, her debut single is getting extremely positive reviews internationally.Zoeblackmore —Preceding undated comment added 00:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Then get reliable sources that establish notability and request a deletion review. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

DRV
Customary notification of DRV; see Deletion review/Log/2012 June 20, which you closed the corresponding AfD. Regards, --MuZemike 21:58, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jarred Land
Hi, I'm thinking that the SPAs at Articles for deletion/Jarred Land, complete with their accusations against another editor, may be meatpuppets related to Sockpuppet investigations/09beemali. I also like this comment. Thoughts welcome. Cheers, 99.156.68.118 (talk) 03:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup, those sure look just like 'em. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:18, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've brought it to ANI . Just tired of it. 99.156.68.118 (talk) 03:20, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for 2012 Kenya Police helicopter crash
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soulja Boy: The Movie
I have addressed some of the "matches" and I may be wrong, but I believe your concerns toward "close-paraphrasing" are addressed by most of those questioned portions being cited quotations of the source which offered the comments.
 * "who manage to address the struggles of fame Soulja Boy has encountered in considerably more engaging fashion than the superstar himself is able to" Is a cited quotation.
 * "bragging about his success, showing off his swag, talking about how much he loves money, and finding colorful ways to throw his money away" is a cited quotation
 * "isn't very compelling as a documentary and offers far too little music to qualify as a concert performance" is a cited quotation
 * "isn't very compelling as a documentary and offers far too little music to qualify as a concert performance" is a cited quotation.
 * "instead ends up seeming out of his depth" is a cited quitation.
 * "reasonably well-crafted and engaging" is a cited quote.
 * "thinly disguised promotional video" is a cited quote.

Certainly there is more than can be done, and personally, I think a merge might have been better than a keep.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:50, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of them were, but others didn't seem to be. Thanks for the cleanup! And if you think a merge is needed, proposing WP:BOLDly through the usual merge process is always possible. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:52, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. Best,  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:56, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Megre proposal made, and a suitable expansion performed at Soulja Boy. If after a week or so and the merge proposal is not discussed, I will simply do a redirect of the film article to the target.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 15:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good from here! - The Bushranger One ping only 15:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

The Powerpuff Girls (Again)
I know there is a request already in but could you semi protect this GA rated article again for a longer period? The vandals are still present and are making edits like every 3 mins, its hard to keep up the reverts. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - protected for 6 months (since the last major protection was 3). - The Bushranger One ping only 17:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay and thanks =). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:11, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

There's no Orang-Utan barnstar (yet), so...
Ook ook ook oook oooook ooooook, ook oook ook oook o ook ooook ook ook ooook. Ook oooooook ook ook ooook oook oook ooooook ook ook ooook. Ook ook, ook oook, oook. Ook ooook ook oook ook ook oooook ooooook ooooook oooooook. :D DarkAudit (talk) 09:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "Monkey." "OOOK!!" ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 14:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I was half expecting an "ah ah ah" at the end of those "ook ook ook" right after my ping to you. ;) -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 02:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

your assistance please
You closed Articles for deletion/Rahmatullah Mansoor. You closed it about 11 hours prior to a full 7 days.

Nominator initiated a barrage of over a dozen afd of articles I started, and responding to them has consumed practically every moment of my spare time, this week. Yesterday I found some additional references and thought I had a last minute opportunity to introduce them, or, at a bare minimum, figure out via the contribution history, which was the last version for which I was the sole author of intellectual content and copy it to a non-WMF wiki.

I request an email of the source text please.


 * You closed Articles for deletion/Haji Yacoub (Al Qaeda) early, as "snow delete". As above this was one of the barrage of afd initiated by a single contributor.  That barrage of afd consumed practically every spare moment, and I did not have a chance to take more than a cursory look at this article.  I have no idea whether improvements could have been made to it during the afd period.  I am not a mind-reader.  So I won't try to guess why a contributor I had never crossed paths with prior to a couple of weeks ago should single out my contributions for such intense scrutiny.


 * I have reminded the nominator that they requested when other contributors have a concern with their contributions they leave a note on the article's talk page of the article in question, and leave them a note on their personal talk page. I told the nominator I thought this was a reasonable request, and I pointed out I have made a similar request, and told them I did not understand why they weren't extending to me the same courtesy they requested for themselves.  No meaningful answer to that question yet.


 * Anyhow, I request an email of the source text of Haji Yacoub (Al Qaeda) -- and some additional information. Can you tell me when I initiated the article?  When I made my last edit?  Were all the other edits to the article copy-editing, or the addition or editing of metadata -- edits that do not require attribution?  Geo Swan (talk) 09:29, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I've restored the articles in question to your userspace here and here. Hope this helps. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 15:52, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Spammy vandals shall fear my mop! - The Bushranger One ping only 21:10, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Darrell Basham
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:30, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Dave1185
Please see if you can help User:Dave1185 will his collaboration skills. He is back to his old ways of reverting valid, sourced information from articles without first discussing (example: here. His continued relapses are becoming quite disturbing.  Thank you in advance for your efforts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.186.86.42 (talk) 18:21, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If there was a source there, you might be correct in saying it was sourced. There is no reference, and the deal hasn't been signed yet - it's WP:CRYSTAL. Also please mind WP:NOTVAND - and WP:NPA. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Mars Needs Women
Mars Needs Women was just on television yesterday, and I caught it part-way through, to see a lengthy sequence of the X-15 test flights, not realizing the stock footage was somehow slapped into this schlock sci-film. I'm starting to do a bit of a rewrite on the film, but it turns out to be a classic bad film right up there with Plan 9 from Outer Space. Take a gander, or even a look. GWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:51, 22 June 2012 (UTC).
 * I'll bring Tom and Crow along with me! ;) - The Bushranger One ping only 15:53, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * BZ, I took out the Batgirl photo (before I realized you had added it), as it's a non-free image. Since the article is not about Batgirl directly, I don't think a Fair-use rationale would be accepted, but if you want to add one to the image's page, and re-add the photo to the article, that's fine. - BilCat (talk) 18:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

No problemo, I think the ludicrous film deserves a screenshot anyway. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:08, 23 June 2012 (UTC).

in case you're in the neighborhhod
Humanity's End end has been expanded and improved to the point where its nominator has happily withdrawn. Any real point to keeping the AFD open?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I'm not sure - that "merge" !vote has me hesitating. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but that editor has not re-visited the discussion since the article's improvements. Thanks for looking in and catching my typo.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 08:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pete Orr
Thanks from the DYK team Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Jackboots on Whitehall
Winston Churchill takes on Hitler in miniature! An ultimately stupid vanity project that ended up on screen. It features period authentic props but ...what were they thinking??? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:11, 23 June 2012 (UTC).
 * I believe the answer to that question is, 'they weren't'! - The Bushranger One ping only 15:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:31, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

NASCAR newsletter
Do you have any good ideas for the newsletter's Picture of the Month (which had to be uploaded in the past month)? --  Nascar 1996 ( Talk •  Contribs )
 * Heh, well, most of this month's pictures are ones I uploaded from Flickr . But maybe either RB's picture of Piquet's car, or this one? - The Bushranger One ping only 04:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Since RB's photos will probably be uploaded after Monday, I guess we'll go with the Tabasco Pontiac picture. --  Nascar 1996 ( Talk •  Contribs ) 05:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, he already added Piquet's car... - The Bushranger One ping only 05:10, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Kyle Larson (racing driver)
Yngvadottir (talk) 09:31, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

More of same
Hi, The Bushranger; it appears more sock or meatpuppets are popping up at Articles for deletion/Jarred Land. I really don't know the protocol on this, and whether one should keep re-opening the topic at AIV. I might drop a line to Black Kite as well. Cheers, 99.156.68.118 (talk) 10:38, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added them to the SPI - already had the IPv6 fellow there, and the IPv4 one is obvious enough he's now blocked for a week as part of the overall inexplicible cloud of socks and meatpuppets around this issue. - The Bushranger One ping only 15:36, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've also added a question there about another IP. Cheers, 99.156.68.118 (talk) 15:59, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

the notability of holders of certain occupations
You were the first person to call upon WP:SOLDIER -- a wikidocument I was unfamiliar with. I took a look at it, when you first called upon it. I just took a closer look at it. I saw that it referenced Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Archive_90 -- which I have also just read.

I notice that the essay and the archived discussion both take the position that if RS establish an individual held flag rank that individual should be considered notable, even if the RS wouldn`t fulfill the expectations for an ordinary BLP.

Can I assume your reference to the essay shows you accept that individuals who fill certain occupations should be considered notable, even if the RS wouldn`t fulfill the expectations for an ordinary BLP?

Thanks in advance for your answer to this question, which I thought was too general for Articles for deletion/David Conn (judge). Feel free to simply say “yes”, if that is your position. Um, but, if your position is “no”, then, no offense, I would be surprised that you would call upon WP:SOLDIER, which is largely based on the opposite position. Geo Swan (talk) 11:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The answer is..."it depends". WP:SOLDIER says they're generally (pardon the pun) notable; however in the vast majority of cases somebody with stars on their shoulders will pass WP:GNG anyway simply because they're generals/admirals and, thus, written about. However there are a few topics for which, for the use of Wikipedia's readers, we need to kick reason to the curb and go beyond the impossible include them despite their being of borderline notability, as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and a gazzeteer, and, thus, while minding WP:ITSUSEFUL, if it's something that can be reliably verified and is something that Wikipedia's readers can reasonably expect to be included, then it should be: for instance, the presidents of smaller countries might not have much written about them in the Western press beyond "X is the leader of Y", but they are notable because of their position. - The Bushranger One ping only 15:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * A long answer, when I thought I might get just a yes or no -- so thanks.


 * I think I know that you have focused a fair bit of your attention on Australian military affairs. As someone who has focused on this, can I ask how many Australian Generals and Admirals you can name?  I have written about the Canadian Armed Forces.  If I really racked my brains, I might be able to name a dozen.  Critics of the Canadian military used to mock it because it had more officers of flag rank than it had tanks -- over one hundred at that time.  I doubt more than a minor fraction were ever written about to a level to match GNG.  I doubt this is true of most flag officers in the US military.  I think flag officers who have only served as deputies generally won`t match GNG.


 * Even if WP:SOLDIER has tucked a "generally" in there somewhere. I don't think the corresponding passage in WP:POLITICIAN does. Maybe the WP:POLITICIAN passage was drafted when the project was in a more inclusionary frame of mind.  Maybe if a broad discussion over amending the passage to apply more selectively took place, there would be consensus to amend it. If I learn of that kind of discussion I'll let you know.  Personally, I agree with the sentiment of whoever drafted the current wording.  And I think it was written to mean just what the surface meaning meant.


 * There are policies I disagree with. But I am committed to comply with the project`s policies, and guidelines, even when I disagree.  I think you too comply with policies you disagree with.


 * Cheers Geo Swan (talk) 21:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * More American than Australian, and more NASCAR drivers than anything else lately. But true enough; policy is policy. I personally disagree that he meets WP:POLITICIAN, but if everybody agreed, it'd be a much more boring place, and I have no problem if the consensus is that he's notable. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:06, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

KAI T-50 Golden Eagle reversion
When we both reverted the ip edit about the prospective Philippine purchase, you deleted some text I added to the "Possible sales" section saying that a contract for the TA-50 could be signed this year, with deliveries in 2013. Was this intentional? I added it to try and persuade any good faith editors that a contract hadn't yet been signed.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry, I didn't realise you had added that - I thought it was the result of a revert conflict. I'll fix it. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - now lets see if it will persuade the ip editor, who appears to have taken quite a shine to Dave1185.Nigel Ish (talk) 19:05, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ... -- <i style="font-family:Rage Italic; font-size:large; color:green;">Dave</i> ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 00:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

CU results are in

 * This case may have blocks doled out now. Cheers, <font face="High Tower Text" size="1px"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> 22:48, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like Dennis beat me to it. Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:56, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I wasn't sure about the 3rd because I couldn't see abuse, but have no hard feelings if you see it differently. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  22:57, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

NASCAR driver pics
Would you please let me add them to the driver's articles? I spent all day identifying and cropped them. I have a system... Thanks!  Royal broil  00:54, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure - sorry about that. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:58, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. It was really weird to find an image that I had just uploaded already in articles just a few minutes later. I'm being systematic to ensure that they all get added right.  Royal broil  01:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, understandable. And that makes sense. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Kalappurackal
User:Shjjose has repeatedly removed the "wikify" template I've added and continues to remove them despite multiple warnings. As you can see from this newest version the user added, they seem to be ignoring my warnings. Thanks for your help, SwisterTwister   talk  05:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oy vey. This seems like a case of WP:COMPETENCE if you ask me. I've given them a final warning note and removed the revisions from the article that they put their contact information in. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

merge proposition for Lamia (D&D)
Hello, as you took part in Articles for deletion/Lamia (Dungeons & Dragons) (2nd nomination), which closed on "no consensus", I'm bringing to your attention a discussion on whether to merge or not that has opened on the article talk page.Folken de Fanel (talk) 10:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll take a look. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)