User talk:Thomas Craven

Am I doing something wrong? Let me know here! --Tcraven (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

A belated welcome
Welcome...

Hello, Tcraven, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like this place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
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Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! Tyrol5  [Talk]  02:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC) A bit belated, I know, but I just wanted to officially welcome you to the community! Tyrol5  [Talk]  02:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Link fixed
Thanks for letting me know about the broken link on the welcome page. I've fixed it. Here's a working link to the PDF: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Welcome_to_Wikipedia_brochure_EN.pdf. --Pine✉ 20:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Another welcome
I didn't meet you at the Wikipedia Day about which you so wittily commented in your userpage, but there's a lot to do when so many people show up. Normal meets are a dozen or two. Next Sunday afternoon I intend to journey to Brooklyn Public Library for the edit-a-thon which is different because it's more formally about oldies meeting newbies, and usually a bit smaller than the regular NYC Chapter meetings.

Puzzleocracy? Yeah! Some prefer to say Cluocracy but that's partly wishful thinking. We don't want to intimidate anyone with a horrible initiation ceremony, but some of us are big, pale, and masculine and some are smart and strong (been decades since I was among the latter bunch) and people with at least some of those qualities are the ones who end up not being scared off entirely by heedless bots, strange controversies and so forth. Anyway; see ya' around, especially if you poke into local landmark articles and replace some of my numerous but mostly poor photos. Jim.henderson (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Spelling: Theatre District, New York
The move discussion at Talk:Theater District, New York was closed without alerting editors at the relevant Wikiprojects to join in. It has long been the consensus at WP:THEATRE and WP:MUSICALS to spell the word "theatre", in part because theatre professionals prefer this spelling throughout the English-speaking world, and because this spelling is not wrong anywhere, while "theater" is wrong in many places,such as the UK. BTW, I am an American from New York City. Note that nearly all of the Broadway theatres are called "X Theatre". I have re-opened the discussion on the talk page to see if we can get a wider consensus on this issue. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Help reviewing a draft
Hi Thomas, I'm looking for editors who can review a draft article for the marketing software company Vocus and thought to reach out since you're a WikiProject Business participant and the article falls under that project. The current version of the article is not in the best shape, so I've written a new version that is better sourced, less list-y and provides a better overview of the company's operations and products. In the interests of full disclosure: I've written this draft on behalf of Vocus, so I'd like to have impartial editors take a close look to make sure it's neutral, non-promotional and otherwise follows Wikipedia's guidelines. I will not make any edits to the Vocus article myself. Would you be able to help? If so, please see the request on the Vocus Talk page. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 15:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiVoyage logo submission
Thank you so match for your appreciation. I've created a new version. Bye! --Pequod76 (talk-ita.esp.eng) 13:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Request for Help, Especially If I'm Doing This Wrong...
Hello, Thomas. I was going through the editors on the Wikiprojects Companies page and saw that you listed yourself as being an editor on media pages. Much like the Vocus rep above, I too am looking for an editor to take at look at my company's page, Baron Services. Unlike 16912Rhiannon though, I'm pretty out of my depth here at Wikipedia. I appreciated the section on your user page where you described your experience as an editor thus far. It kind of reassured me that my confusion and the intimidation factor of the Wikiepdia group weren't unfounded, and that the best way to deal with things is to jump in and see what happens. I apologize in advance if requesting attention for my page like this is inappropriate, and would appreciate any advice you might have about how to get corporate pages updated (ours is woefully out of date). Thanks, again --BaronAndrea (talk) 13:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)BaronAndrea

Your offer to give accounting advice
Thank you for your offer on Meta-Wiki. You made this months ago. I replied at meta:Talk:Wikimedia_New_York_City/Finances.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)   21:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Brevan Howard Page Update
Hi Thomas,

I see you have a strong interest in both finance and financial based Wikipedia pages and I'm getting in touch as I was wondering if you could help me out with the Brevan Howard article? They're one of the largest hedge funds in the world, but their Wikipedia page has a number of factual inaccuracies in it. The talk page clearly identifies all of the inaccuracies, backed them all up with sources. The user page of the previous editor who was helping out says he is taking a long break from Wiki, and the page hasn't attracted any new editors since October 2013.

It would be very much appreciated if you could lend a hand on this. Jenny.barrett (talk) 11:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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WikiProject Investment
Hey there! I just re-launched the WikiProject Investment.

The site has been fully revamped and updated and I would like to invite you the project.

Feel free to check out the project and ping me if you have any questions.

Cheers! WikiEditCrunch (talk) 20:24, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Sparkline edits
Thomas, the change I made did include documentation, in. I've just added links to the 1999 WaybackMachine pages to Wiki's caption. If you want more, you may want to help me look for it yourself. I know it is or was on the Tufte forum somewhere (minimally see the note my partner wrote at the bottom of Tufte's page Microsoft patent claim for "sparklines in the grid", and I also know that although Tufte is aware that ours was the first known implementation of it, he has not publicly acknowledged that he did not "invent" sparklines -- even though public opinion often suggests it. In fact, there is some evidence that he has removed references to our work. All he has ever documented is a very rough sketch in a sketchbook he did in the early 1980's (see his "authoritative" history). But his is not an implementation, and neither are the other pieces of evidence he shows on that page very strong indicators of what a sparkline is conceptually. We went through all of this on his forum website several years ago, and you can find the best documentation there, although he seems to have deleted something I wrote. His books are great, but he is celebrated around the world for things he has not strictly done himself.

I once asked Ed to begin clarifying the provenance, and he has not done so. It appears that something I wrote on his forum during the Microsoft flap, including image, has since been deleted, and he has since written the authoritative history on sparklines which forefronts his contributions and doesn't even mention ours. Nothing in his evidence prior to 1998 (including the Kubrick "2001" graphic) says sparklines as clearly and as early as ours does, and ours is what most people seemed to be resting on during the Microsoft patent dispute.

I don't claim a lot of firsts to my credit, and I'm not famous for design journalism and education like Tufte, but I wish credit to go where it is due. I am very busy here right now. There are thousands of nobodies (in both business and academia) paying people to abuse Wikipedia as their personal promotional platforms, and thousands of celebrities (like Tufte) who get free promotion on Wikipedia through a priesthood of admirers (and he also has paid retainers who promote him). Finding these practices distasteful, I don't do either -- I have a minor claim of priority here, I published it, and I wish it to be respected. As a Wikipedia editor, you could help by tracking down and giving a better citation if you are dissatisfied, not simply evacuating my statement of priority, or else just leaving this little thing alone. I've worked hard in my life and shouldn't have to spend this much time accounting to one Wikipedia editor for something I rightfully deserve. You have as much power as I do to deepen the documentation. That little extra work would serve justice a little better than simply pushing a button to undo my hard-earned changes. As a longtime editor of Wikipedia who has made many selfless contributions, I'm going to go ahead and be selfish and undo your undo's for now, until you can find a better reason to undo my undo of your undo's or, in the alternative, clarify where you think there needs to be clarification.

As far as I know, the best evidence independent of Tufte are the following pages (click on "Screen Shots" at the left of the first link).

http://web.archive.org/web/19991127150331/http://www.quotetracker.com/index.htm http://web.archive.org/web/19991013115021fw_/http://quotetracker.com:80/screens.htm http://web.archive.org/web/19991127181313fw_/http://www.quotetracker.com:80/verchanges.htm

We were programmers on PLATO in the 1970's, and our alumni group sent out a call to programmers to help find documentation to contest the Microsoft suit. There is no earlier hard documentation that we know of because we looked for it during the Microsoft suit. Do note that the version change list does NOT include a reference to "inline charts" (which is what Mike called it) -- because it was already in the pre-release implementations. As I wrote in Tufte's forum (which writing has been deleted), Mike wrote that software in January 1998, while he was living in my back bedroom in Chicago. We were working on a couple of projects together and he needed to be in Chicago. He called me into the bedroom one day and asked how I would display a graph like that on the already crowded page, and I told him it made sense just to jam it into a cell. He thought it was a good idea and did it within half an hour in Visual Basic. That was it. No hundreds of years of history, no patents, no fanfare, and, most of all, no Tufte. It seemed obvious, which is why it isn't well known. But so far, neither Tufte nor anyone else to my knowledge has found an earlier implementation that unequivocally says "sparklines." And his history page tends to deliberately push the limits of its definition without actually showing it nearly as explicitly. Why has he not acknowledged our work as at least some kind of prior art? Where, at least, is a screenshot on his "history" page showing our work? What happened to my writing and upload on his webpage (as I recall, originally I e-mailed it to him and he posted it to the forum)? Why all the fuss to continue to try to assert himself as the "inventor"? Zelchenko (talk) 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Thomas, I'd like to spend more time on this, but I really am very busy. I am doing graduate research and don't have time to fight this battle. Tufte has retainers who are paid well to maintain his world presence, and he is a millionaire. I'm on a scholarship, about $550 a month stipend. Unless and until you or Tufte find some earlier implementation, or find some other rational quibble with this, I would ask that you leave the entry alone for the time being. If you want to discuss this more serially via e-mail, I can be reached at laowai@sjtu.edu.cn. Zelchenko (talk) 08:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Collaboration on Honeywell template
Hey Thomas, I saw you're a member of WP:Companies, and I was wondering if you could lend me some of your expertise. I'm working on updating Template:Honeywell, as it's a little disorganized at the moment. I do have a paid COI, so I'm trying to find willing volunteers to help ensure that the changes I'm proposing are of good quality and Wikipedia compliant. I know this is a little outside of your scope that you listed on the wikiproject, but you mentioned templates and I was hopeful you could take a look at my suggested updates.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 22:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Help with article review?
Hi,

I've noticed you belong to the Wikipedia Finance project. I've written a draft article about a prominent VC, User:BC1278/sandbox/Mo_Koyfman, and I wonder if you might have time to review it? I am an experienced Wikipedia editor, and have created many articles, but I have a COI here as a paid consultant to the subject. So, as per WP: COI, all my work must be reviewed and brought live by an independent editor.

I am more than willing to do as much additional work on the draft as you think is required.

Thanks for considering this request!

Ed BC1278 (talk) 22:01, 13 May 2018 (UTC)BC1278


 * I took a look. It's a well-written article with a lot of citations, and within my area of expertise, but I can't for the life of me figure out why the subject is notable. It reads like a vanity article, and that could all be edited down, but I'm not sure what would be left. Maybe focusing on a specific deal where the subject had notable involvement? Warby Parker has raised a lot of money in a lot of rounds from a lot of backers, but if there were a source that could show how the subject did something actually material to the creation of a notable company (beyond just working on a funding round) that would be ideal. Maybe more about his current role, if that includes anything notable? Otherwise I don't see how every young person who gets a little rich investing in venture capital warrants a wiki entry. A paid article touting his burger cooking prowess, given all the fundamental articles about major business and finance figures that still need creation or editing, feels especially distateful. Thomas Craven (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks for taking a look. I'll look more at what the sources say and make some changes. In the world of New York venture investing for tech start ups, he's been one of the important contemporary players for the last 10 years. I expect there will be a lot of press about his current company when he announces what it's going to do.BC1278 (talk) 15:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)BC1278

Eriksons stages
Hi, I saw the message you left for me regarding Erikson's stages. Yes, they were changes regarding the approximate age. I just referenced a couple of books i saw online. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.189.215.32 (talk) 17:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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One on One Football
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