User talk:ToeFungii

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RedWarn - important info to get back up and running
Hey! Thanks for testing RedWarn. This is an important message to notify you that effective immediately, you need to change your common.js. This is due to my usurp request to change my username from an alias, JamesHSmith6789, to a more identifiable one, Ed6767 being accepted.

To do this, edit your config.js and remove the existing RedWarn script line and replace it with this one: Click here to edit your common.js

And, here's another reminder to please, please, leave feedback and report all bugs on the talk page. By reporting bugs, you can help get them fixed by the next daily release.

Also, if you're interested in live discussion regarding the development and help with using RedWarn, why not join our new Discord server. It's easy to sign up and you can get help and chat with other RedWarn users.

Again, thank you so much for being willing to beta test RedWarn! I really appreciate it. Ed6767 (talk) 12:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , wanted to let you know that i'm doing wikipedia's counter vandalism training so I'm going to have to focus on that for awhile (apparently 4-6 weeks). I'll still try to help with documentation but likely won't be able to use redwarn until i finish. ToeFungii (talk) 07:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's okay, thanks for letting me know. Ed6767 (talk) 13:57, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

A message from Ed6767 about RedWarn


Hello RedWarn tester! I hate to reitterate, but thank you so much for being willing to test RedWarn, I really appreciate it.

In the past few updates, I have added AIV (admin) reporting, a preferences panel, themes, customisation options and made many, many bug fixes and added many features based on your suggestions and feedback.

Unfortunately, recently feedback has run dry.

Even if you do not use RedWarn at the moment, or you do (tysm), I would greatly appreciate feedback of any kind. While I go round Twinkle users, sounding like that broadband salesperson in the mall that nobody ever wants to speak to, I'd like some updated feedback from recent and current users.

Any sort of feedback below would be greately appreciated!


 * Your first impressions when you tried RedWarn?
 * How have you used RedWarn as time has gone on?
 * Would you value customisation features, such as macros or shortcuts, such as adding your own quick revert reasons so the tool can fit your exact editing practices?
 * Any suggestions for how I could promote the tool to a wider audience?
 * Would you appreciate a more developed and thorough user guide?
 * Any theme suggestions?
 * Anything you'd like changing?
 * Something you've always wanted to see in an anti-vandal tool? (I might add it!)
 * RedWarn app?
 * A way to introduce Recent Changes patrol to new users to make using RedWarn or other tools less daunting?
 * Any bugs, gripes, or things that just really annoy you about RedWarn?

Click the button below to begin a new section on the talk page

My goal is to create the most user friendly moderation tool, and that's why I need your feedback to help make this truely the most favorable anti-vandal tool. While we will never elliminate vandalism on this site, we can get closer to fighting it quickly and easily.

Many thanks for your continued support. Ed6767 (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

''If you do not wish to get these feedback reminders, let me know on my talk page. Also, flush your cache. I can see you're currently 2 versions behind.''

12 seconds
! Enterprisey (talk!) 01:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , What's funny is that I posted a question in the Teahouse about the FA of the day being vandalized and whether anyone had ever proposed protecting the page. I now see you have a script (no exactly sure what it does, but it's obviously working). I was hoping that if whoever keeps making the change had a script also that if I could make a change before you that maybe there's would break. I know it's a long shot but I really appreciate what you're doing and the effort you put forth to do it. I'm in the counter vandalism academy so seeing something like what you've done warms my heart. take care and thanks again. ToeFungii (talk) 01:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's a sentiment that it's nice to not protect the featured article to let first-time users fix mistakes. I have a couple of scripts that I actually wrote in response to the current situation, so it's not too much work on my end. Thanks, and I appreciate your effort as well! Enterprisey (talk!) 01:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't want to load up your page so i'm pinging you here (and no reply is needed). You removed the diffs of a few (or at least one) for Banksia speciosa but there are a few still there from other ip addresses that had the same info. Guessing the others should be removed as well. Thanks for your hard work protecting the featured article as strange people truly come out of the woodwork. ToeFungii (talk) 01:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I checked and actually couldn't find any that we missed - could you link to one? Enterprisey (talk!) 05:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , somebody did them after i left you the message. there were 3-4 but they are all got now....until today's FA when the process repeats. thanks. ToeFungii (talk) 14:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Manzanar featured article review
I have nominated Manzanar for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  22:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Rollback
Hi ToeFungii. Judging by your contribs and statistics, I am confident that if you would request Rollback rights at Requests for permissions/Rollback, your application would be accepted. In addition to allowing you to use standard Rollback, this right would allow you to have access to more advanced vandalism-fighting tools and features. Obviously, the final call is up to the admin who will review your application, but I personally, I believe the admin will decide that you can be trusted with these tools, so I'm giving you this unofficial heads up. No pressure though. Hillelfrei  talk   22:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , I appreciate the compliment. I'm in the counter-vandalism academy atm so it might be a little early but i'll get there. i'm using wikibattlefield and found another filtering thing under recent changes that identifies problems pretty well. I know huggle would make it easier and faster as a lot that i find have already been reverted but i'm getting incrementally better as depending on who is patrolling I can sometimes get to some pretty obvious ones first. thanks. ToeFungii (talk) 22:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok. In that case, you will pretty much be given the right automatically anyway for completing the Rollback chapter of your CVUA course. Hillelfrei   talk   23:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Sarah Arzu
Hi there,

I removed the A7 tag in this article you tagged for speedy deletion, because being a member of a national woman football team is a claim of sigificance, so A7 does not apply. Please take this to AfD if you believe notability requirements (WP:NFOOTY) has not been met. Thanks and happy editing! --Dps04 (talk) 11:29, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , I appreciate it. I didn't know that would be sufficient but will now thanks to you. TC. ToeFungii (talk) 11:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI I have 3 others and could be wrong on them as well. I'm doing the counter vandalism training academy and CSD is one of the modules. The others are: Jackie Carter (musician), Bandar Baajaj, and Akidearest. If I'm wrong on any of them if you could tell me and why I'd really appreciate it. ToeFungii (talk) 11:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Yep, A7 is quite a low threshold, and it is deliberately done that way to make sure we don't speedy delete articles without passing through community discussion, save for the most clear-cut cases. As for the three other articles you mentioned, A7 clearly does not apply for Bandar Baajaj, as the subject plays in a team that competes in the Saudi Professional League. Not only is this clearly a claim to significance, the subject would also likely pass notability requirements per WP:NFOOTY #2. For Jackie Carter (musician), I would say there are some claims to significance, such as the sentence: chosen to sing in Michael Kunze and Sylvester Levay's Silver Convention, which would go on to be successful worldwide. There are some sources out there, and even an article on the German Wikipedia. Having said that, just because we have an article on the subject in other Wikipedias, this alone does not mean the article is suitable here, so I think you may want to do some research on the topic and see whether to take it to AfD. For Akidearest, I see why you would want to tag it with A7, and I agree that the article itself doesnt really make claims to significance. Having said that, the topic has been mentioned in a few other Wikipedia articles, and the subject seems to be a Youtuber with some recongition. Again, AfD would be a better option than A7 in such instances. Hope this helps! --Dps04 (talk) 11:56, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , It does. I've kept a tab open to A7 and re-read it each time before submitting, but I'll take a gander again. Unfortunately I guess if pages are deleted I can't see those that met A7 which makes it hard to learn from past experiences :( I VERY much thank you for your time and wisdom. ToeFungii (talk) 12:01, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * No worries! Tagging pages for deletion accurately (and new page patrolling in general) is not an easy task and requires familiarity with a wide range of policies, so it is absolutely fine even if errors have been made (I used to make lots of errors, and sometimes still do!). On a side note, I see you doing a great job at CVUA! They do not seem to teach speedy deletion in great depth though, so after you graduate from CVUA and wish to further your understanding on new page patrol, you may wish to enroll in the New pages patrol (NPP) School as well. Have fun editing! --Dps04 (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Nimai Mukhopadhyay
I declined your A7 on this article because being a professor at a major university and winning a notable award are both credible claims of significance, which is a lower standard than notability. The bar for A7 is very low. It is designed to get rid of stuff like "John Doe is a Youtuber with 100 subscribers" or "Bob's Plumbing is a plumbing company in Nowhere, North Dakota", not professors whose research has won awards. Thanks, SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 13:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , no problem. I'm working on the countervandalism academy and unfortunately CSD is part of it. I've read the info, but the little tidbits that you just shared, and Dps04 shared aren't anywhere so I apologize for making you work but greatly appreciate your taking the time to share your knowledge for my benefit. ToeFungii (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I just removed another one on Emily Pangnerk Illuitok. Her work is included in the collections of the Musée national des beaux-arts du Québec and the Winnipeg Art Gallery is a credible claim of significance. In fact it is enough to pass WP:NARTIST: The person's work (or works) has... been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. I noticed most of your A7s today have been declined. You might want to go over A7 with your CVUA trainer before tagging more articles, because this is starting to become disruptive. A7 is one of the more subjective criteria, but the rule of thumb I use is that it's for utter garbage like articles on "entrepreneurs" sourced to their own blog and Linkedin, not anything that sounds like it could possibly be remotely worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia (such as a painter whose work is displayed in galleries or a country's national botanical garden). SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 22:34, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , will do. can i undo my a7 tags? I've relooked and honestly thought they were good tags but obviously not. ToeFungii (talk) 22:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You can if you want to. I would remove them from Dalila Ennadre, at least - directing notable films is a claim of significance and some of the sources in the article give significant coverage of her. Apologies if my tone seems harsh. Just read through the policies and go over things with your CVUA trainer and you should get the hang of it. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I think I have removed all my A7s (got Ennadrel a few min b4 ur message). I know now why there are so many articles as i definitely have a higher criteria. I wish there was a way I could see all A7s pending so I could see some examples. :(. thx ToeFungii (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is: CAT:A7. :) SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:11, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , WOW THANK YOU that is very helpful (although not much there at the moment but it will give me something to watch.) If I can bother you for a question. On the new page feed there are some articles marked with "previously deleted)" but I can't find any history. I assume that's because they were deleted. Is there a way for me to tell why they were previously deleted though? I've tried searching the log page with the page title as the subject but with no joy. I likely won't bother you again tonite as I feel like a rag. ToeFungii (talk) 23:20, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Have you been looking at the deletion log? If you go to Special:Log, select "Deletion log" from the dropdown, and enter the page title, it should show you why it was deleted, e.g. here. If it's not showing up when you do that, I'm not sure why. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , (trying to simplify message so this is edited). I tagged two pages A7 that I think I correctly id'ed, but if you wouldn't mind looking. One was deleted for A7 before and the other for A7/G11 and I'd say they've don't appear to have progressed. Gamexchange and Geo Raphael. The 3rd A7 I can't undo because it's had another edit, and it's Akidearest which I think boils down to if 2M youtube followers meets a fan/cult base. I scanned the youtuber's list for comparables and 2M would be a stretch as the others usually had at least 5-10M followers. Whether she meets it or not I'd say would be debatable. Sorry for all the back and forth, but I have to say I like dealing with vandals FAR more than this new page judging. It's far easier so you have my respect for what you do. Thanks again and your links were very helpful.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToeFungii (talk • contribs)


 * Since SpicyMilkBoy hasn't replied yet, I thought I might put my two cents in. I see an admin went on and deleted Akidearest for A7. I can see why that admin would have accepted your A7, as the article itself clearly didn't make any claims to significance (being a youtuber alone is not such a claim). Having said that, I tended to be more cautious with marking things for speedy deletion, so (as explained in my message above) I would actually say this is a borderline case. True, the article did not contain any claims to significance, but if you look at WP:CCOS, you would know that it is advisable to conduct at least some rudimentary search on their own before tagging any new article on any speedy criteria. Sure, the sources cited in the article at the time of speedy deletion were youtube sources and therefore nowhere near reliable, but a search for the article in google news reveals some mentions (although no doubt from sources of questionable reliability). If you search in Wikipedia, you would also find that the subject of the article is mentioned elsewhere, such as 1, 2, to name a few. While this is not indication of notability, this alone would have prevented me from applying an A7, since this is far less clear-cut than the "John Doe is a Youtuber with 100 subscribers" case. As for the two articles you tagged today, I can't review Geo Raphael because it has already been deleted (though this is a good sign, as the deleting admin agreed with your rationale), but I would agree that Gamexchange in its current form could probably be caught by A7. In the event though, an admin declined the speedy and draftified the article, as they say you nominated the article only 8 minutes after its creation. A general rule of thumb is that, for certain speedy deletion criteria, especially A1, A3 and to a lesser extent A7, we allow creators a bit of time to edit their articles after publication before tagging them for speedy deletion, with the understanding that they might not publish everything in their first edit of the page. There is no strict rule, but generally I would wait for at last 15 minutes before tagging an article with A1, A3, and 10 minutes before tagging an article with  A7 so it appears less Bitey, especially when the article creators are relatively new users with few other mainspace contributions (which they often are). Of course this rule does not apply in instances where a page is clearly an attack page or written in an entirely negative tone, or blatant instances of advertisement/spam or copyright infringement, which should be tagged for deletion immediately. As you can see, new page tagging is no easy task, so I understand why you find it more difficult than counter vandalism (I myself certainly do!). I have no doubt you're gonna do a good job with a bit more practice, thoguh I respect it if it is your desire to concentrate on counter-vandalism instead (which is also a very important area of Wikipedia!) Thanks for your contributions and happy editing. See you around! --Dps04 (talk) 05:27, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , Thanks for this input as well as for all of your earlier input. Between you and SpicyMilkBoy I got a fantastic education. I spent 2-3 hours reading and re-reading the notability and all the related guidance and confess my mind turned to mush such that I had to take a break. I actually researched Akidearest both on wp and off and her footprint is pretty small and ultimately I felt 50-50 and would have pulled the csd if I could have. I still question if she is notable enough, but the fact that I question means alot. I'd say she may fit more towards the cult end. On Gamexchange, I actually researched that one too, and it had been previously deleted for A7 back in 2008, so I've got to lean that it should have csd'ed because if that was all they had in all that time I almost feel like it's a sly ad because I came to find out there are stores spread around and actually found that I was fairly near one. I will say A7 is a bear, and copyvio and spam were much easier for me. My copyvio's were accepted with the exception of a huge chunk of text being cut instead of deletion and on another the poster redid/did a bunch of work and fixed it. All my spam ones were accepted, so A7 frankly is my bear, but I submitted two tonite and both were accepted so I think I did learn something. The new page feed is yet another screen and I honestly was not taking note of when the articles were put out, but it does raise a question for me. They can develop the article as a draft and it would seem that when its moved to mainspace that it should be ready for prime time, no? I'll use your guidance above, but it's confusing to me to have something in mainspace and for criteria to be applied immediately. Maybe it's similar to some of the things I find when looking for disruptive edits and I see someone has made a couple edits and then a 3rd pops up, I'll just leave it in a tab and come back after 15-30 minutes and see where they ended up unless its offensive or obvious vandalism. But even for edit tests the templates say to use the sandbox which is what I'd guess is equal to a draft article. I don't know. Am I looking at it wrong or missing something? Lastly, thanks again to both of you, and the several other editors that had to deal with me today. I think my early success made me think A7 would be easier than it definitely is. TC. ToeFungii (talk) 06:02, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

What do you do when someone immediately resubmits a CSD article?
and, I'm going to ask you indulge me, but something caught my eye. An article that I submitted and was CSD deleted came right back about 5 hours later without any changes (I remember the page well). The article is Broadway Boys and the deletion is here, and it was actually deleted a few days ago as well. Well it's back and someone already CSD tagged it. In part I'm asking because should it not be deleted, but if it should is there anyway to make the person stop submitting it over and over, etc? Thx ToeFungii (talk) 11:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am on a mobile device, so please excuse me for any typos. The first thing to do is of course to tag the article for the same CSD criteria, which I believe you have already done. If the article has been repeated created, you may wish to apply the   template on top of the CSD template. This produces a note to the reviewing admin who may, at their discretion, protect the same page from repeated re-creation. Hope this helps! (I wished I could have typed a longer reply but I am away from my laptop. On a side note, thank you for the barnstar, and I was glad I helped :D) --Dps04 (talk) 12:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's perfect. I forgot about salt but didn't realize there's a template for it so I'll add it. For the live article out there now, someone else tagged it, but I just happen to notice and remember the name. So you know all your effort with me has had some dividends, including heeding SpicyMilkBoy's telling me to take a break, as I've had three A7s accepted in a row with no rejects. you both gave me a lot of time and I want you to know that I'm applying it. Still second guess myself multiple times, but that's a good thing. Thanks again!!!! ToeFungii (talk) 12:23, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Great! I think you are a quick learner, and I am sure you'll do well in CVUA school and in Wikipedia generally! I don't think you need to "break" from CSD though especially considering your improvements. Please let me (or preferably, your trainer, since they have more experience here especially in areas of anti-vandalism) know in case you have any other questions in mind. Cheers --Dps04 (talk) 16:40, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional Note: now that the Broadway Boys article has been deleted and salted, I have also marked Talk:Broadway Boys for speedy deletion under G8, as it is now a talk page with no corresponding subject page. Thanks for your efforts again --Dps04 (talk) 17:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)