User talk:Tribal44

August 2008
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Depp
I understand, but for a category to be included on a page, the subject needs to be covered and sourced in the article. Happy editing! Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: I apologize
Hey there, no need to apologize, it is I who should be for coming across a bit harsh. It has just been an ongoing situation with that page. The problem, is that there doesn't seem to exist any kind of news article or other valid source that states what her vocal type...just fan sites and the like making such statements. The above messages provide some good information regarding citing sources. Cheers, and good luck. I'd love to see a good source stating her voice type, so we all don't have to keep going through this revert cycle, lol. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 23:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I've reverted your addition again. Helium is another user-generated content website, similar to Wikipedia, with the exception that people can use it to self-publish their own material and others cannot edit it. Anyone can sign up and write an article such as that one. In other words, it is not so different from a blog or fansite...it is just someone's opinion. The site may claim to use "peer-review", but it appears to just be a rating system, no different from rating reviews on Amazon or rating sellers on eBay. If I may suggest, if you can find a website or other source that you think may be good for the article, leave a note with the link on my talk page, and I'll check to see if it is acceptable for use on-Wiki. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 19:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * This is definitely not a reliable site...just something that was put together for "mystic entertainment". Take a look at the bottom of the link you gave me...some of that biographical material was taken straight from the Wikipedia article! hehe. No telling where the rest was pulled from. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 20:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Amazon listing as a source...there is no mention of her voice type anywhere except the customer review section. This is, again, not considered reliable since it is just a regular person (you or me) stating an opinion as to her voice type. I have again reverted your changes in the article. While I appreciate your efforts and applaud your determination at finding a source (I really do!), as I suggested to another editor on the same quest, you might consider leaving a note with the link on my talk page before making changes to the live article. Just a suggestion though. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 23:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Mariah Carey
Please, unless you can produce a reputable site, quoting a recognised authority, stating that Carey is wrong about her own voice, stop changing her voice type. Adding a cite to a random page within a personal website, with an unattributed opinion of some unknown, is never going to be acceptable as a more accurate and authoritative cite than the one that is there. This issue has already been noted on the article's talk page. If you wish to discuss this further please do so there. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Escape Orbit is right. I don't care what sources you have, or how much knowledge you claim that you have of the subject. Carey says "I am an alto". We cannot tell her "No, you're not; you're a soprano". Unless you can find a published (i.e. in a book or on an very authoritative website) source that explicitly states that Carey is wrong, then the current source stays. And PS: There are singers who are natural altos, but can sing high notes. It's just that their tessitura lies in the alto range. Oran e   (talk)  18:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Whitney Houston, 2008 and 2009 edits
Hey, leave the Whitney page alone. She is a soprano. Others agree with me that your sources are unreliable. Your first source, http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/a/hamidmahdi/Downloads/VOICETYPES.htm, was made by a boy called Amid Mahdi. Since when is he a superior source on vocal fach? Your second source, http://www.musicstarx.net/biography/biography-whitney-houston/, used an old Whitney wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whitney_Houston&oldid=65312059) that was deleted and changed due to unreliability! Leave it alone. A reliable source would be from a well-known newspaper or RELIABLE website.

Get a RELIABLE source or leave it alone. I don't care what you think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5 octaves (talk • contribs) 20:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Fool, you go away first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5 octaves (talk • contribs) 20:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I have talked to an administrator. Since you are vandalizing her page by bringing unreliable sources and sites made from old Wikipedia ages, which is UNALLOWED, and you won't stop, you will be blocked.5 octaves (talk) 21:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

You are vandalizing by adding sources that use old Wikipedia pages, which is unallowed in Wikipedia and is counted as vandalism.5 octaves (talk) 21:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I did not change her voice type. Her voice type is right there sourced in the infobox. I duplicated that source to an unsourced part in the article also calling her a mezzo-soprano. Did you even look at my changes? I partially cleaned up that article. You restored it to a worse version, with at least two inaccuracies I saw (discounting whether or not her voice listing is inaccurate). You should take care in not reverting all of an editor's edits when those edits have improved the article...all just to undo one or two edits you do not like. Flyer22 (talk) 21:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Just coming back to state that I eventually saw what you were talking about, and removed that unreliably sourced information (yes, the source was an old version of Wikipedia's Whitney Houston article). I still state that the whole article should not have been reverted back to before my improvements to it, though, which is why I reinstated them two times. Flyer22 (talk) 01:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Whitney Houston
You are invited to participate in a discussion I stared on the Whitney Houston talk page. 5 octaves, who I also directed to that page, contacted me about the dispute. Instead of edit warring, you are encouraged to first discuss changes especially if another editor has an issue with it. Right now, you both have breached 3RR so unless you want the page locked or you want a block for violating 3RR yourself, I highly suggest you guys talk this out there. Pinkadelica (talk) 23:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to call you a guy in the male sense. It's more of a "you two" kind of thing. I'm from the South so our phrasing (well, at least mine) isn't always clear. Sorry 'bout that. I also just left a note the Whitney Houston talk page regarding the sources. Pinkadelica (talk) 03:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Blogcu.com
Blogcu.com is a blog service in Turkey (means blogger, a person who writes a blog) and the blog you use as a citation is copy-paste from this version of Within Temptation article of Turkish Wikipedia. I hope you'll stop reverting my edits after this.--82.151.153.118 (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That was me who wrote this, if you wonder. Thanks.--Ms. Naz (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * And that was me also :)--Nazzzz (talk) 12:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, but I think you should (at least) listen her voice in "The Cross".--Nazzzz (talk) 08:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Sharon's voice
I have one, but it isn't English.--Nazzzz (talk) 07:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Added in de article.--Nazzzz (talk) 12:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Voice types
Hi, let me just say that I love the work you're doing with voice types and articles. But I have to point out that 90% of the time, your addition to articles is based solely on original research. I was looking through your contributions, and almost none of our edits regarding vocal classifications are sourced (you tube still counts as original research, since it's not published). Is it possible for you to source these? Thanks and keep up the good work. Oran e  (talk)  18:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. --DAJF (talk) 01:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again. I have reverted a large number of your edits to various musician articles, as the voice type details you added were not sourced. If you cannot provide reliable reference sources supporting these claims, the details should not be added. Please note that repeated addition of unsourced details and original research to biographical articles could result in you losing editing privileges, so please take this seriously.
 * If you haven't already, I would strongly recommend reading the guidelines at Verifiability and No original research. --DAJF (talk) 02:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Singer categories
Hi. I see you are working on voice type cats. Can I draw your attention to the Opera Project system explained here WikiProject_Opera. It would be appreciated if you didn't attempt to recategorize opera singers. It took several years to clean up these cats and it wouldn't help if they were changed.

On the other hand, you may like to create similar structures for non-opera singers. In the past these singers were put in high level cats like Category:Sopranos etc. and it might be better to have more specific classifications. Best. Regards. -- Klein zach  03:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

User:DAJF
I noticed a similiar behavior at Eula Beal where the cited references clearly stated she was a contralto and he added a fact tag. What articles are you having a problem with him on? I reverted him at Eula Beal but he didn't kick up a fuss about it.Nrswanson (talk) 18:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... well looking at Enya, I wouldn't exactly describe celebritywonder.com as a reliable source, so technically he could remove the content on that page and I wouldn't have a problem with it. Not that I doubt that she is a mezzo. But you should try and find something like a Rolling Stones article or a New York Times review stating the fact. I haven't bothered to look at the other pages, but my general comment would be to try and use sources that people can't challenge.Nrswanson (talk) 18:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Elvis Presley's voice
Hello there. You recently changed this, deleting "tenor". I don't know exactly what his voice type was, and even if I did, I'd have to back up my edit with a citation. When I added that he was a tenor (and a baritone), this was supported by a specific citation. This citation was also referred to in the article ('Legacy'), namely:

'Presley's recorded voice is seen by many as his enduring legacy. Music critic Henry Pleasants writes: "Elvis Presley has been described variously as a baritone and a tenor [my emphasis]. An extraordinary compass... and a very wide range of vocal color have something to do with this divergence of opinion. The voice covers two octaves and a third ... Moreover, he has not been confined to one type of vocal production..."'

Basically, I'm wondering if it was appropriate to remove the tenor reference as it was supported with a citation. Thank you. Rikstar (talk) 12:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello again. Are you alright? You have either not been able or willing to respond to the post above, I'm not sure which. Rikstar (talk) 16:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Amy Lee reference
No, unfortunately. This is the author of that article...just another random person. She appears to be a very good writer, but it isn't peer reviewed and thus isn't considered reliable. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 01:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Lydia Fortner
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Unsourced voice ranges and reference format
I have again removed the voice range claims you added to the Enya article. As mentioned before, customer reviews for CDs on Amazon or similar sites can be written by anyone, and so are not considered valid reference sources. If Enya's voice range is not widely documented in non-trivial sources, then it should not be added at all to the Wikipedia article. Also, I note that you still haven't quite got the hang of how to add reference citations to articles properly, particularly when using the same reference source a number of times within the same article. The handy summary I have added below tells you all you need to know. I see that it is not the first time this has been posted on your talk page, but please make the effort to read it this time. Thanks. --DAJF (talk) 00:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Britney Spears
I reverted your edit about BS's voice range. I explained my edit on the talk page, but I am writing here because I mistakenly autoreverted your edits, neglecting to give an explanation in my edit summary (sorry!!). While I personally do not know her voice range, a source was cited in support of the claim she is an alto. Please give a reason why that source is not WP:R before removing the info again. Thanks!--Agnaramasi (talk) 22:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

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February 2009
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. 'You are at 3 reverts. Tread lightly and use the talkpage rather than continuing to revert. This should be discussed and consensus reached before it is in the article. I am leaving messages for both parties.' Terrillja  talk  19:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Birgit
I went ahead and reverted. Birgit is already listed (correctly in my opinion) under Wagnerian soprano. She really shouldn't be under both lists which is why I removed her in the first place.Nrswanson (talk) 01:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Katy Perry
I reverted your edit since it didn't make any sense with the rest of the sentence, and the information is already in the infobox. If you want to add an additional ref there (in the infobox), then go for it, but making a sentence awkward to add information that is already in the article is not constructive.-- Terrillja talk  18:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

ALICIA KEYS VOICE TYPE

alicia keys is not a contralto she a mezzo soprano, there aren't any reliable sources that claims she a mezzo, in fact many article state that she a contralto, and that completely not true, alicia keys tissurta and timbre is of a mid range singer not a contralto, she can belt mid notes with ease, youtube should be a reliable source for her voice type, because it contains many interviews of alicia stating facts about her life in persons, wikipedia should make website such as youtube for reliable sources, alicia keys vocal is not of a alto if you seen her many live performances, a alto range is up to F2-f5 alicia keys full voice rance is B2-E5 a mezzo is A3-A5 she suppose to be consider as a dramatic mezzo soprano, but wikipedia wont accept youtube sources, you should re consider my request i am only trying to make alicia keys page accurate base on the real alicia keys not info base on the internet because most of it is in accurate.Darksorrow54 (talk) 06:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Britney Spears
That is her actual voice type, now stop changing what I edit Now I know you've had problems with voice tpyes and ranges but the actual site I put up their was wrong but I corrected it you can see for your self It has a list of voice types for most of the artists —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprite7868 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009
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Ethel Merman
What is this about? The source quite explicitly describes her as mezzo-soprano/alto. Are you aware of some other source that contradicts this? Dlabtot (talk) 19:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

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Yulia's Vocal Category
See Yulia's talk page to read what I said. But I will repeat it here. Yulia is not a contralto, and the source you link has no mention of her being a contralto. Have you actually looked at her Myspace? Yulia herself, her manager, and her vocal coach classify her as Coloratura Mezzo Soprano. I understand that you are a vocal teacher, but your opinion of her voice is not a source. Since you were willing to negotiate the point by not deleting my categorisation, I have showed you the same courtesy, but please consider taking it down. She was known as a contralto many years ago, but not anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirtrione (talk • contribs) 20:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Floor Jansen
I'm wondering why you put that tag there about the "fully-protected page requested to be edited upon". It isn't really protected, and the tag is also something I have never seen before, so that is why I'm wondering. Thank you. Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done  21:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Template:editprotected
I noticed you added the to a bunch of articles. That template is only for requesting edits to pages that are protected, which none of them were so I removed it. ~ Amory ( u •  t  •  c ) 21:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

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Pics in 'List of' pages
It would appear that its all still going on...never mind all we can do is try to compromise I think. Here is hoping that the poeple that are attacking the soprano page in particular get bored :S BrotherDarksoul (talk) 01:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Katy Perry unneeded reverts
Hi. I reverted you reverts to my edits for a reason... The image there was good, (in the info-box) but the one that i changed it to seems better. Also, i removed the picture in the 2010-present section because there are already pictures there. 4 images in such a small space isn't actually needed. Regarding the musical styles and themes section, The "Public Image" part is definitely too small and non-relevant to have its own title; e.g. check out Lady Gaga, see how its done. Thats how it should carry out to others. There should be an "Artistry" title with any of these things: musical styles, themes, influence, voice, music videos, performances, image, etc. If this is is terribly wrong, please reply back before/instead of reverting edits again, for no reason. Thanks.  Arre  kea   03:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I would just like to say that once again the picture you have reverted back to isn't the best for the Katy Perry article. The current picture i agree is quite awkward. Her face is turned and she has no expression. Additionally, it kind of makes it look like she's naked. I agree with this. Could you maybe choose one with her full body shown? I don't want to edit war over a picture. And no, I'm not doing "anything" again lol, I just want the picture which is best for the article :). Thanks. I also see that there is another user who keeps changing pictures. − Soap  Jar 04:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Hey:) I see you are good at finding vocal ranges/vocal type for artists...hope you can help me. Well i work a lot with the Jennifer Lopez article and i would like to know her exact vocal type/range (i know she doesn't have much of a big voice). All i could find is "Vocal Subrette" and 2 octaves, do you know what these terms mean? Your help would be great :) − Arrekea ♥ (Talk) 06:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Katy Perry
Hi Tribal44, I've had to leave a couple more responses here, as the issue still seems to be ongoing. Best. Acalamari 21:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for your input. :) Acalamari 14:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Lisa Gerrard
--Canoe1967 (talk) 11:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC) Hey Tribal44. :) Don't worry about edit warring if what you're reverting is a copyvio image: copyright violations are an exemption to the 3RR rule listed at 3RRNO. If any admin blocks you because you removed a copyvio image from an article several times within a 24 hour period, it'll be them who would be in the wrong not you. :) (However, if someone insists on adding a copyvio image to an article and keeps reverting, it would probably still be smarter to report it to here.) Let me know if they revert you again. Hope this helps. Best. Acalamari 07:55, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Kitten for you
Sure. It is a full size kitten though. BTW I see you do vocal ranges for singers. Could you take a look at David_Bowie? I seem to remember hearing that he has quite a range and left opera for pop music because it paid more. RS would be needed of course.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you have a copy of the original Fame (David Bowie song), not the 90s remix. I seem to remember hearing that he actually did reach all 9 ocatves. He didn't 'span' them but did reach notes in each.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:36, 17 July 2012 (UTC)



Barbra Streisand
Meant to say, how do you feel about her being added to the soprano page??? I am dubious to be honest as the two sources on the page are not quite as strong or sound as the one that was on the mezzo page. Do you think I should change it back? What do you think she is, one says she is a lyric soprano lol BrotherDarksoul   Blether 01:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Please stop inserting vocal ranges into articles
You need to stop your obsession of inserting vocal ranges into the articles of many singers. It's not encylcopedic (unless they're opera singers) and many of your sources do not come close to meeting Wikipedia's reliability standards. Educate yourself on proper sourcing, which content is encylopedic, and which content is lead-worthy. Dozens of editors have reverted you for doing these things. You need to stop or you will be reported for disruptive editing. --76.189.121.57 (talk) 02:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012
Hello, I'm Hello71. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it’s one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ⁓ Hello  71  02:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Bah. Not the message I was looking for. Point being, comment on content, not editors. On the specific subject of vocal ranges, the relevant manual of style or WikiProject will probably be able to assist, at least more productively than insulting one another. ⁓ Hello  71  02:08, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * "But he did it too" is not a defense. Editors should always remain courteous to one another. Instead of starting a fight, consider bringing it up with other editors in dispute resolution. ⁓ Hello  71  14:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Vocal Ranges
Please stop inserting poorly sourced vocal ranges into inappropriate articles. See discussion at [|WikiProject Musicians] Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey :)
Hi there, long time no hear! How are things? Hope you are well. Our usual pages have been rather quiet, I think our constant policing has worked wonders, yay us! Hope you are well. BrotherDarksoul  Blether 14:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit -warring
I'll make this pretty simple: if I see Tribal44 or Liammendes change the infobox picture of Katy Perry again, I will block that editor. Edit warring over the picture in an infobox is about the most pathetic edit war that an editor can enter into, and you two have been at if for days. Stop.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Sharon den Adel
Re: this edit, MOS:LEAD says the lead section (before the first section header) should summarize the major points of the article. To quote it directly, "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article." Naturally, this means most or all things mentioned in the lead section will be repeated or rephrased somewhere else in the article. Since the particular issue of her vocal range has been a point of contention in the article's history, I thought it wise to mention it (with references) in the lead, since readers clearly look for that fact in this article. Wilhelm Meis (&#9742; Diskuss &#124; &#x270D; Beiträge) 01:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Celine Dion
Discussion on talk page about how many octaves. Don't know if you want to get involved, but I do remember that you worked on those. Feel free to delete this post.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

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