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Hello Turismond, thanks for your hard work on this article. I strongly suggest you do a DYK for it. Since you haven't made any DYK submissions yet, you won't need to do a review yourself. Edit: one suggestion for future articles. As per Identifying reliable sources, it's generally best practice to use scholarly sources, such as the encyclopedia that you cited on the Nazi war crimes in Italy article, in preference to journalistic sources or other sources not peer-reviewed and written by historians. Catrìona (talk) 13:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you or having a look into the article and moving it into the main space. Turismond (talk) 21:28, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Borgo San Dalmazzo concentration camp has been accepted
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Wilhelm Schmalz
Hi, nice work on the Axis war crimes in Italy article. I have a related question. The article on the general says that the charges against Schmalz were dropped, while the Axis war crimes article says that he was put on trial. Do you happen to know his fate? --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This source uses the word trial in regards to Schmalz: ...Vallucciole and Civitella della Chiana in the trial to lieutenant-general Wilhelm Schmalz. That is where I got the information from that he was placed on trial but it could of course be wrong. Turismond (talk) 06:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, he was acquitted as noted here: Italy and the Second World War: Alternative Perspectives. So "charges were dropped" is incorrect, as this implies there was no trial. --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:42, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This book source (in German) also states that there was a trial (Prozess). Turismond (talk) 06:44, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Axis war crimes in Italy
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Precious
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USHMM encyclopedia on Italian camps
I now have access to the encyclopedia and am happy to share entries on specific camps if you would like to see them. Catrìona (talk) 01:11, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you can, yes please. Turismond (talk) 01:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't send the entire thing or post any copyrighted text to Wikipedia, but if you add your email address to your wikipedia account (see Emailing users), I can send you individual entries. I suspect you're interested in Borgo san Dalmazzo and Fossoli, but are there any others that you'd like to see? Catrìona (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Now done. Turismond (talk) 07:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the articles. The Borgo one included not much new stuff but the Fossoli one has some interesting information. Turismond (talk) 22:34, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Waffen-SS veterans in post-war Germany
A nice sub-article to Waffen-SS, keep up the good work. Boves massacre may interest you and could use some more work and WP:RS citing. Kierzek (talk) 01:12, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. You are right, Boves could use some more work. Reliable sources aren't rare, I've seen it mentioned in lot's of places. I will put it next on the list of to do. In regards to the Waffen-SS article, I had hoped for more information for the commemoration section. There is a couple of images on commons on memorials, including a controversial destroyed and then relocated one, but the only sources I've come across are heavily right-wing tainted. Searching for current Waffen-SS commemorations leads to articles on Latvian and Estonian gatherings instead who recently sparked quite a bit of outrage. Turismond (talk) 02:15, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Hello. Help improve the quality of the article Maureen Wroblewitz on B-Class articles. Thanks you. 113.160.130.156 (talk) 09:48, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, can't help you there, not my area of expertise or interest. Turismond (talk) 10:11, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a WP:SPA IP troll, since blocked. I was never pestered by that particular one, but have been by others who were similarly obsessed with obscure fashion models. They seem to try to recruit active good editors. If any other one canvasses you, I recommend checking their contributions; and, if you think it justified, as a public service both reverting their garbage on other users' Talk Pages, and posting at WP:ANI or one of its subpages. Unsurprisingly, IP users like that often set off experienced admins' sockpuppet alarms. Yrs (been there done that), Narky Blert (talk) 07:09, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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Copyediting on The Holocaust in Italy
Thank you—I dropped the ball on that one! Catrìona (talk) 17:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

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Schnez-Truppe
Hello: if you have time, maybe you could add some further detail (with RS sources) to this article. Your sub-section in Waffen-SS veterans in post-war Germany is more detailed than the linked article. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that, too. The German Wikipedia article isn't all that much longer either. There is an article from the Sueddeutsche Zeitung that has a bit more detail then the others I saw. I will use it as a source when I have some time available. Turismond (talk) 04:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the article now. A copy edit by you would be greatly appreciated. Turismond (talk) 04:34, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Keep up the fine work. It would make a nice DYK. Kierzek (talk) 10:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as DYK goes, it is already part of ALT 4 of Template:Did you know nominations/Waffen-SS veterans in post-war Germany which is the hook that has been approved. Turismond (talk) 22:43, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

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WP:RS sources
As I have said, keep up the good work. I do see that you like to use German sources and at times, websites for citing. Given this is English Wikipedia do try to use English RS sources when you can; also, be careful when using on-line sources or websites. As you may know, not all would be considered RS sources. They need to be one by a known historian (or historians), a mainline news source or respectable ones, which are shown to be objective with good editorial oversight. Just something to keep in mind. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 13:54, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Although it's important to use reliable sources, the reliability of a source is unrelated to the language that it's in. It is preferable to use English sources, which are more verifiable, but there's no requirement to do so and often there are benefits to using foreign-language sources (broader perspective, more detail, etc.). Catrìona (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree there is no requirement and that is why I said, "when you can". It is preferred when available for readers benefit and cross-checking, but they are not always available or always the best source. Kierzek (talk) 14:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I understand your concern about reliable sources and I do consider when adding information whether a source appears reliable or not. Two key problems I've come across are that I don't have the same access to good book sources you two have (I spend the majority of my time in remote locations with no access to books or a library at all). The second one is that, for subjects like Karl Brunner (SS general) or Max Troll, English language sources seem to be limited or none-existing. If I don't think a source quite qualifies as RS I generally only use it for non-controversial information (birth date & place, etc.), but if you think I have used a source that isn't really reliable or added something incorrect, please point it out and I will try to fix. More likely, in most cases, I have just misunderstood something or mis-translated and the fault is on my side rather than the source. Turismond (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Erich Isselhorst is a good example. There is little I could find on him in English sources (except the questionable Daily Mail article on the Nazi Hunter book, both by the same author), despite being sentenced to death for the murder of British POWs (most likely the up to 39 captured SAS members). Yad Vashem has a bit on him but nothing on the former events. The Bavarian State Library source is based on Joachim Lilla Staatsminister, leitende Verwaltungsbeamte und (NS-)Funktionsträger in Bayern 1918 bis 1945. The Gedenkorte Europa website, which I have only used for the Aktion Waldfest section but which I have used on other articles as well, belongs to the Studienkreis Deutscher Widerstand 1933–1945 and does state its sources on the relevant articles. Yad Vashem, I presume, automatically qualifies as RS source on the Holocaust. Lilla seems fine to me, also not exactly a historian, more of a collector of records (classified as an Archivist on the German Wikipedia). Gedenkorte Europa may fail the criteria but I haven't found anything there that doesn't state a source itself and I haven't found anything there that contradicts other RS sources. I would like to find a better source on the Aktion Waldfest as it may warrant an article but I haven't yet. Turismond (talk) 02:49, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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The Holocaust in Italy
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 * Thank you for your great efforts on the article, it's much appreciated! Turismond (talk) 04:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome. Twofingered Typist (talk) 11:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Desk murderer
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 26 November 2018 (UTC) A good article and hook, just slightly misleading ;) - It doesn't say she coined the word, but could make a superficially reading person think she did. Anyway, I always love to see "my name" - unfortunately not related. - Next time just code desk murderer, no pipe neded for just the first letter lower case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback, Gerda. Sure she isn't related to you in any way? Just add yourself to the family tree at the bottom of the article. I won't tell! Turismond (talk) 04:28, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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Roses for the Prosecutor
Hi, I just promoted your hook to prep, and also edited the article for grammar. In the Production section you had written that the production company had made some "critical films"; I changed that to "poorly received" films. If that's not correct, please fix it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:53, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. Looking at the German source again, the films were indeed poorly received because they were socially critical, targeting the church, press and, next, justice system. I will amend the article to make this clearer. Thanks for your copy edit. Turismond (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Thank you and the same to you! Turismond (talk) 02:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

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Help needed
Hi Turismund. Sorry to bother you, but I was wondering if you might be able to help out. Buidhe is within the checking of two cites of getting Escape of Viktor Pestek and Siegfried Lederer from Auschwitz to FA. She hasn't edited for over two weeks and her nomination, after a lot of work, is in danger of being timed out. To satisfy the source reviewer I, or they, need sight of pages 192 and 199 of Terezin by Ehrmann, published by the Council of Jewish Communities in the Czech Lands in 1965. Specifically Erich Kulka's "Terezin a Mask for Auschwitz". I don't suppose that you have access to a copy, or know of an editor who might? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't have access to the book and I don't know of anybody who does. You are right, Buidhe hasn't edited for a rather unusual length of time. Have you tried to find out whether everything is alright, by email for example? Turismond (talk) 23:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for checking. Re Buidhe, I dislike intruding on editors' privacy, but I think that in this case I will. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you succeed in contacting Buidhe and find out whether everything is ok? It has been almost 2 month and still no edit! Turismond (talk) 04:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Turismond. I got hold of the source needed to get Buidhe's FAC over the line and sent her an email on 4 March telling that it had passed, and that "There are a number of editors, including me, who are concerned about your sudden cessation of editing". I have heard nothing back. I do not take this to be a good sign, but cannot think of anything further I can do. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:21, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No, not much you can do, but indeed concerning. Buidhe (Catrìona) was a very dedicated editor and very helpful, always available for advice. Let's hope everything is ok! Thanks for letting me know. Turismond (talk) 00:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Turismond. It has been pointed out to me by User:Serial Number 54129 that Buidhe made a single, minor edit on 5 April. So my worst fears are unfounded. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that is some positive news! Turismond (talk) 23:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
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