User talk:UWM.AP.Endo

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Feel free to drop a note on my talk page if you have any problems. I wish you all the best on your wiki voyages! JFW &#124; T@lk  21:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Definitely drop use a note if you have questions / run into any issues. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 05:32, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you - I have mostly been lurking and adding things to my watchlist to edit when I have more time. I am learning so many interesting things about this community! My graduate training provided me with some deep knowledge about a number of random and not super popular disciplines but still notable enough to already have pages (mostly stubs) on here. UWM.AP.Endo (talk) 19:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Response to post on cmckittr talk page "Advice from someone who's done this"
(so I obviously haven't perfected the process of responding to comments so I am posting my reply to both your talk page and mine)

Best of luck to you with the Wikipedia project for your behavioral endocrinology course. I would say the biggest challenge my students found was identifying a topic that they wanted to edit/improve, especially since they needed to pick the topics fairly early in the semester before they really know what all is out there. The inability to use primary sources tended to be quite frustrating, especially if they were working on something that was relatively new (e.g. one of my students did a page on "Cute Aggression". Not much out there research-wise and no real reviews, although the NY Times publishers a story about it after the student had selected the topic). Another student wanted to add some historical background to her selected page, but her historical sources were rejected for being to old (which was sort of the point).

Some students found the Wiki platform tricky to use, and often lost work if they forgot to save it regularly (many opted to do their writing in Word and then paste the text into Wikipedia later). As part of the project, I had students keep a weekly blog about their experiences (created as a Wiki on Moodle, our course management platform)--in the blog they posted about their progress on the project, but also about how they were feeling about it as the semester progressed. Similarly, their final oral presentation to the class was half reflection on the process ("I tried this, but it didn't work..."; "started with this topic but couldn't find enough/found too much", etc.) and half presentation of the final product highlighting where their page had begun and what they had done to improve it. The students really appreciated the blog and the opportunity to discuss their experiences, rather than focusing exclusively on the final product.

The most difficult thing for me was evaluating the process and product, especially when the pages changed over time. I ultimately had them create multiple sandboxes: one with a draft that was used for evaluation by both me and a peer evaluator (and was not changed after a certain date), and one with a final version that responded to the comments on the draft and would become the one that was published. The peer review process I used was pretty clunky, and I'll have to refine that in the future. I had a couple of international students for whom English was not their first language, and that is clear in some of the final products; quality of content contributed was also quite variable (as you no doubt see if you are on the Behavioral Endocrinology page).

Many students felt that the amount of effort put into the research, etc. was not adequately reflected in what they ultimately published (although I could see that pretty clearly). Some of my peers have used the Wiki assignment in conjunction with a traditional paper but I used it alone--the students had mixed feeling about that. Some found it more difficult than a "regular" paper, and most found it more frustrating, more challenging and more fun.

If you would like to talk to me about this outside of the User talk area, you can reach me @drew.edu using my Wiki user name. Cmckittr (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2019 (UTC)cmckittr

Thank you
Thank you for adding that Type One diabetes is an auto-immune disease on the article on Diabetes mellitus. Vorbee (talk) 19:30, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Students
Can you emphasize the use of review articles, government websites, and major textbooks per WP:MEDRS with your students? Also if they use textbooks they need to include page numbers. We have advise we commonly give new students at Students. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your concern, User: Doc James, and my students have completed a training module specific to the types of sources appropriate to use for the articles they are working on. I made an announcement in class regarding page numbers when using textbooks, and I would appreciate it if you would refrain from making edits to my student's sandbox pages moving forward. UWM.AP.Endo (talk) 16:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Per these edits I was providing feedback to one of the students. Healthline is not a great source. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:17, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So leave a message on his talk page or my talk page. I get that I'm still new here but it seems a bit intrusive to provide feedback and make edits in a sandbox where you were not requested to do so. UWM.AP.Endo (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Request was made here at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine
 * That is a different instructor and a different course. UWM.AP.Endo (talk) 16:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comments were made were the editing was occuring.
 * None of the sources used here are high quality secondary sources either. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:17, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Testing this new tool
Want to reply? There should be a link here now UWM.AP.Endo (talk) 20:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)