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Please don't make edits like this, you are forcing users through a redirect page. --Yamla (talk) 21:18, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * Cam I just say, thank you for your efforts in the article. I’m sorry if I may seem a bit harsh in GA, that is not my intention. It’s not an easy article to write, so keep persevering! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 01:05, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of English Standard Version
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Title changes
Hello VistaSunset,

I see you've edited the lead sentence to many books/letters of the Bible recently. Can I ask where you're getting this "also known as Letter of (XYZ)" as so important as to be in the lead from? "Epistle" and "Letter" are synonymous, so I don't really see the point in adding synonyms to the lead everywhere. These are generally referred to solely by their purported writers and "Epistle of" when that's ambiguous, so I don't think this addition is an improvement - we don't need every single alternative version. Any thoughts? Would you complain if this addition was reverted? SnowFire (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey SnowFire, thanks for your message. By my personal observation of the public sphere, there seems to be generally three primary ways of calling in English a book of the New Testament:
 * The classic, and consequently broadly known, title: e.g., the Epistle [of Paul the Apostle] to the Romans (à la King James Version)
 * The modern, and therefore rapidly emerging, title: e.g., the Letter of Paul to the Romans (à la English Standard Version)
 * The colloquial/shorthand title: e.g., "Today I read a passage from the book of Romans."
 * I hope this makes more sense? I know it looks long on article leads, but the problem is that the appearance of these titles throughout scholarship seem to be relatively equal (see Google Ngram). If you feel it's just a bit much in the lead (which I absolutely understand), perhaps we could use a footnote instead? Let me know what you think. VistaSunset (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I guess I haven't really run into the "modern and rapidly emerging title" much before - it's almost always the shorthand title from my personal experience ("James", etc.), but Wikipedia needs to disambiguate, hence using the longer "Epistle of" terminology.  I see your point on the ngrams, but also note that "Epistle to the Romans" still beats out "Letter to..." by a decent amount in that ngrams.  I guess I'm a bit more of a stickler about only bolding the most common synonyms in the lede.  Anyway, if you feel strongly about it, I won't make any changes, but maybe something for a third opinion?  Basically, the lead section is the most important section by far - it's the only part many readers ever read.  So having it be really "tight" and clean is important.  (On the other hand, if we're talking about really casual readers, they're the ones most likely to not know what an epistle is, so who knows.)  SnowFire (talk) 19:41, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. I would actually be quite happy (even prefer on second thoughts!) to tidy things up into a footnote. I can go ahead if you're happy. VistaSunset (talk) 10:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * One thing I'm surprised that hasn't come up much for Biblical literature is that the "original" titles aren't mentioned - which is weird (Don Quixote mentions the Spanish title straight-up). A trick that the WP:VG project has used is to stick Japanese titles in footnotes since it's very relevant, but many readers can't read Japanese kanji - I've tried doing the same to a few articles (e.g. 2 Maccabees) since I imagine that many readers can't read Hebrew/Greek either.  But it does seem important enough to mention!  Anyway, just a thought for things to add to hypothetical footnotes...  SnowFire (talk) 04:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:American cessationists


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Cessationists
Just a reminder, you should only add categories like Category:English cessationists if the claim is explicitly stated and sourced in the article - most of your recent additions do not seem to be. StAnselm (talk) 13:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I understand. I was unaware of any MOS policies regarding this. I haven't added categories to articles without confirming beyond a reasonable doubt that the category is true. VistaSunset (talk) 06:39, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * For BLPs, the relevant policy is WP:BLPCAT. See also WP:CAT/R and WP:COPDEF: it should only be included for those people (like MacArthur) for whom cessationism is a defining part of their theology and ministry. StAnselm (talk) 15:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

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Rollback edits on English Standard Version
I rolled back a large number of edits from an anon IP (that you're already aware of) on English Standard Version. I'm not sure what their editing objective was, but it was, frankly, a mess. I noticed that you had already reverted a significant amount of what they did, as well as possibly doing some additional edits. However, I rolled back to your last edit before all of this began, so you may (1) notice a revert message of your more recent edits, and (2) may need to reapply them (if necessary). Just wanted to let you know about it. If you have any questions for me about the rollback, just post it here. Butler Blog  (talk) 19:39, 28 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it! VistaSunset (talk) 04:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)