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Working out the details at Today's article for improvement
The RFC for TAFI is nearing it's conclusion, and it's time to hammer out the details over at the project's talk page. There are several details of the project that would do well with wider input and participation, such as the article nomination and selection process, the amount and type of articles displayed, the implementation on the main page and other things. I would like to invite you to comment there if you continue to be interested in TAFI's development. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 02:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for alerting me to this. I didn't know this discussion was going on - still busy with Entertainment :) I posted a comment on Wikipedia_talk:Today's_article_for_improvement Whiteghost.ink (talk) 03:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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I see you've already gotten a barnstar for your work on entertainment. Good. I just wanted to thank you for that work. I saw compliments of your efforts at WT:TAFI. Best wishes. Biosthmors (talk) 23:50, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!
I was wondering what plans you have for Entertainment. Are you going to nominate it to be a good article? Automatic Strikeout ( T  •  C ) 06:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I was dropping by to give you a barnstar myself, for your improvements on baking. You're like a machine, awesome job. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 17:05, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Revising the nominations process at Today's article for improvement
I'm seeking wider input on a proposed redesign of the nomination process over at TAFI. The current method could benefit from some streamlining and usability tweaks. If you feel so inclined, I'd like to hear your opinion on the matter. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 23:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Sound file
Hi Whiteghost, there is File:Applause.ogg and File:Applause-2.ogg; they are the only sound files in Category:Applause on Commons. Graham 87 08:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Question
Congratulations! However, when I went to the article's talk page, I didn't notice that problem, but you may have received an old version of the page from a laggy server. I've just purged the entertainment talk page, so all of Wikipedia's servers contain the latest version with the correct GA templates. If that hasn't fixed the problem, try bypassing your browser's cache. Graham 87 02:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * You can do it yourself in this uncontroversial case: replace the text at Slave Castle of Cape Coast with #redirect Cape Coast Castle, copy any text over if needed, and remove the WikiProject tags from Talk:Slave Castle of Cape Coast. If you describe what you're doing clearly in your edit summaries, you should have no problems. Also see Merging. Graham 87  02:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * No worries. Sounds good here! Graham 87 03:21, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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Wikimania 2014 London Bid Questions
Just dropping you a note to let you know I answered your questions about our bid: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimania_2014_bids/London#Questions_for_the_bid_team

Thanks very much for your positive feedback! We're very excited about working on this event. EdSaperia (talk) 02:33, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I'll check it out :) Whiteghost.ink (talk) 09:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Great - do let us know if you need any clarification on anything. There are inevitably still lots of unknowns at this stage, but we figure better to be upfront about them than pretend we know the answers! I am always very suspicious of bids that budget their costs down to the penny a year in advance. EdSaperia (talk) 14:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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Removing Speakeasy
Hello,

Was there any specific reason why you replaced Speakeasy by Aborigine sacred site in the schedule for TAFI?

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:16, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Since it was in the schedule I had spent some time trying to set up an Editathon around it with some new editors and experts in the field. It's a difficult and important topic. Having it disappear like the last article I began work on meant I had wasted my time. Perhaps it might turn out to be better for these people later in the schedule whenever it was going to reappear but it's impossible to plan things when the schedule just comes and goes the way it is doing. And it confuses new editors who were just beginning to think it was something to which they could contribute. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 09:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe we are talking about Aborigine sacred site, right?
 * Got it. That's perfectly fine for me, since I do not favour either article over the other. Good luck with your edit-a-thon. I hope it's a success :)
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I finished that picture of Alex Byrne you asked me to edit. Sorry this took as long as it did. Braden 15:36, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Classic 100 Countdown
Hi Whiteghost, To be honest I wasn't that interested in the movies countdown since I can count the number of films I've heard on one – maybe two – hands. I generally prefer non-fiction to fiction, anyway. But I've updated the table anyway, and will check in from time to time. In case you don't know about it, you'll probably find the pipe trick exceedingly useful when updating the list – you can use it to type Pride and Prejudice (2005 film) instead of Pride and Prejudice. Graham 87 01:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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St James
I've tweaked one of your pics and I think the angle is OK but I'm having difficulty uploading right now.

Re colours, I realised that the glaring white is often hidden behind a seasonal curtain. Much better!

I'm working one two things simultaneously here.... Gothic architecture really needs an overhaul and I have been stalling! However, St paul's Cathedral was another really big job, and now that is done, apart from a few references, I'm happy!.

I agree with Johnbo that the St James article is good and just about ready to go. Take a look at the way that I did the pics at Wells Cathedral. In some instances, it was very hard to get good shots, but when they are cropped and paired well, they look quite impressive. Even those two very grey and gloomy ones from the north side are OK together, but would show up badly by contrast to a bright shot. They validate each other. Amandajm (talk) 11:02, 14 July 2013 (UTC)


 * BTW, did you go to the Sydney Uni thing? I really wanted to but I had something important on. I'd like to know how it went. Amandajm (talk) 11:04, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, Wells is wonderful. It was worth the effort. All the cathedrals are interesting and have treasures, but the architecture at Wells is something else!
 * Sometimes it can be amazingly hard to get people who live near a famous building to actually take in the building itself. They tend to see the easy things, like a memorial window or a particular carving, and don't see that the nave is overwhelmingly splendid.  They will take a telephoto lens and record the ceiling bosses without looking at the ribbed vaulting.  I suspect that familiarity breeds contempt. If you go to St Mary Redcliffe  all your life, then you come to believe that it looks the way all parish churches ought to look. (Well, I'm rather glad they don't! I like rainbows, but clouds are good as well.)
 * Anyway, Rodw did a great job of the photos at Wells, and my bro-in-law took a whole lot of stunning pics at Chester. I have photographed Lincoln and Peterborough, but I kept getting distracted and wandering around vaguely. Amandajm (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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This week's articles for improvement - 22 July 2013 to 28 July 2013
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St James'
I am still working on it. Please don't cause edit conflicts. Unfortunately, when I was ready to save, I had a phone call from the UK and had to talk to four different people..... Amandajm (talk) 10:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't mean to create a conflict - was just updating with new information a section that I was pretty sure you weren't working on. Great work you are doing! Whiteghost.ink (talk) 11:11, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the barn star! I'm glad you've taken on Richard Hill!.  I don't know if you noticed but I just wrote a stub on Percy Bacon Brothers so that one red link has disappeared. What it needs now is for people from churches with Bacon windows to create a little list, as it is a list of one at the present minute. I have attempted to format St James' much like other major church/cathedral articles. They all vary a little because the emphasis or the available information differs.  What it needs now is the refs tidying up. I wish I wasn't quite so reliant upon Ken Cable for the history.  Amandajm (talk) 00:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just found the Smily! Amandajm (talk) 00:24, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had noticed the Bacon Brothers article! What should we do to tidy up the refs? Is there anything else needed in the article? I have used Annable's book as a reference in addition to Cable's and more is available in the Church Archives as well as via Trove. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 00:29, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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...on the St James talk page. Amandajm (talk) 07:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invitation. It sounds tempting!
 * I have just used your information, in two bits, and quoted Symonds directly, since his opinions are essentially opinions, and so he needs to be cited.
 * I think the article is about ready to go up for a Peer Review. (much easier process that FA, which is a nightmare.) Anglicanus would be a good person, but I think has made too many contributions. Pity!
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Richard Hill
Well done! Three things:
 * Include the early lithograph of St James.
 * Don't box the Broughton quote. It needs to follow directly on from the details of his burial and people's attitudes towards him, rather than under the details of the dispersion of his possessions.
 * He wasn't buried at Camperdown. Camperdown Cemetery wasn't opened until 1847. A number of bodies were reinterred there. I don't believe that Hill was one, as he had no association with Camperdown. Tombstones and some remains were later placed there from the Town Hall and Devonshire Street Cemeteries. It would have been at that time that we got the Hill tombstone, I presume. Amandajm (talk) 06:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! And found an error in the attribution of that lithograph. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 07:44, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Richard Hill (clergyman)
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Adding images
Whiteghost, do you edit on your ipad with the screen turned vertically? The last pic, added to the other picture of the spire, and put into that section, don't fit, and stuff up the layout on horizontal format, particularly on a wides screen or laptop. They don't fit under the two above. They look bad because they are wider, and they break through the Main Heading bar that is below them. More pictures is not better, if the result is messy. When adding pics, always check the widest shallowest format that you have available, because this is the hardest to fit. Amandajm (talk) 05:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
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St James'
It doesn't need any more picture of the building. The last rearrangement, seriously, made a total mess of an article that was looking good. Layout does matter. Please look at what I've done.

With regards to content:
 * The lead showed a series of pics all from an easterly direction, and all with the church at approx the same size within the image space. That meant the pictures worked as a series.  The pictures that occupy the lead space need to be either one excellent representative view, or a group which together convey and important idea. In this case the series showed St James remaining as a constant in a changing cityscape. They told a story, without the story actually being spelled out.
 * Three pictures of St James' between 1842-1844 is overkill. I have put in the King Street picture, as being fantastic historic image of what is now the inner city.
 * I also included the distant view which give a picture of the size of Sydney Town and the significance of St James', as you said. I find the view of sheep grazing in what is now still the open space of Hyde Park to be of less significance, and, since there is only room for two, that's the one that goes. But swap them, if you feel inclined.
 * The Hardy Wilson picture adds nothing. It's an imaginary view of an earlier time with the women all in crinolines and poke bonnets. It isn't a true historic view of the same calibre as the other three.
 * The long arial view of the church roof doesn't convey a great deal. Since it was necessary to move Greenway upwards, it had to go. The third image in the text conveys the information about location, as you have already noted.
 * Portraits: don't face them out of the picture if it can possibly be avoided.
 * The two interiors. They are absolutely essential to the content of the article. They don't fit in the architecture section which is too full of images of details to contain them. They sit OK in the section dealing with late 19th century ministry and the alterations to the interior. By the time that we get to them, we (viewers) have already seen several pictures of the exterior, so that only the details remain to be conveyed.
 * If you find a decent photo of one of one of the significant early clergy, then it can go beside Greenway. It would be a good addition.

Can I suggest that rather than finding more images, you expand the 20th century, which really needs work.

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 * Thanks for the gong! Lovely and appreciated. This is not an easy article and it certainly helps to have another perspective and feedback on various experiments. I have added some more images to show some more comparisons. See what you think. I knew I had messed up the layout before but I had to start somewhere with the additions and there was not enough time in the day to go further. Glad you checked it over. I have uploaded a good image of Micklem that might serve for mid-20th century clergy but it needs cropping - File:Rev. Philip Micklem by Sam Hood.jpg He is an important contributor and his article also needs a lot of work! Yes, the twentieth century needs developing. I will keep plodding along. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 11:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Whiteghost! Stop adding more and more pictures! it's overkill! The picture of the church surrounded by highrise is enough. The historic pictures of the building in its location now number five, including the most recent. If you want that blurry faded photo in, then one of the others has to go. The recent arial view is the least comfortable picture to find a space for, and doesn't serve much purpose except to show St Mary's, so it is dispensable. The article has reached saturation point, as far as images are concerned.
 * If Miklem gets added, then there must be a statement of his importance within the article. As there is only room for one' portrait, it needs to be one of the earliest significant people. Amandajm (talk) 04:45, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added a portrait of Richard Hill.  Amandajm (talk) 06:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Getting that portrait of Richard Hill is excellent! I looked for it when I was doing his article and found a reference in the State Library catalogue but don't think it has been digitised. I have added it to the Hill article and added the categories to it on Commons. I take it then, that you don't want me to add an image of the early circular railing? :) Okay, I will work more on the text, especially the 20th century (in which, Micklem was important, by the way). When his portrait is cropped (I can't do it) I will add it to his article. You might be happy to know that the church, including the apse, is being re-painted.  Whiteghost.ink (talk) 07:45, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I just cropped the interior. Looks better. Your computer must have something you can crop with. Take the library tags off, before uploading.
 * Let's have coffee sometime, or go on a photographing spree of Macquarie Street. In at the 'Gong, as you might have guessed. Amandajm (talk) 16:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. Bring a camera to Macquarie Street! Send email to organise. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 00:20, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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Jolly good! If you actually have a picture of the interior showing the altar rails, as they were, then upload and we'll find somewhere to put it. I can see a solution. Amandajm (talk) 10:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I do have one. A drawing. In fact I have two drawings from a rare source. One showing a close up and a less clear view from the west gallery. (That would be the west end that in consequence of being a muddle-headed wombat, I earlier called the east end.) Uploading it will require some more problem-solving on my part. However, I do like pictures (surprise!) so I will work on it. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 10:55, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Terrific image! Now we can really give a good idea of how it looked in the Colonial Period. Fantastic! Amandajm (talk) 09:41, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What shall we do about the layout? Whiteghost.ink (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That sheepish picture and the delicate little pic of the interior really go well side by side! Amandajm (talk) 10:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I am so glad that you found those two interiors. It's all very well to describe the fact that the interior changed radically over the years, but the present combination of the three pics in the history section just demonstrate it really well. Amandajm (talk) 10:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I searched a long time for them and the exteriors were a real find! I love the King Street one and the sheep. They give you a real sense of what we were and where we are. And as usual, you have arranged them beautifully. It's coming along, isn't it? More to do though - 20th century, for instance. I also have good images now of Carr Smith and Wentworth Shields. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 10:43, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't know where we are going to put them!
 * I just found a nice place for your angel! I adjusted the tone at the top of the file, rather badly!  It is OK at low resolution, but if anyone looks at the large file, they will see exactly where I masked it. I'll fiddle with it again, but not right now as all I have eaten is a couple of wheaty biscuits and cheese. I feel like something disgusting that I don't have to cook. I'd even settle for Kentucky Fried Chicken. Amandajm (talk) 11:00, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about them. They go in their own articles. I have already added Micklem to his and I'll add Allwood soon to his already existing article. Carr Smith is interesting and needs to be created. I will make a stub for him some time. Now that the pictures are settled for the time being I will get onto the text again. Have found that there was a week's celebration of the 100th anniversary of laying the foundation stone and extensive press coverage. The celebrations culminated in a luncheon at which the Governor was chief guest. I read that "the communion service was presented to St James by William IV 1835". I wonder if that is true. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 11:56, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you're happy to do Carr Smith, I'll do the architects. Thank you for the yummies! Amandajm (talk) 16:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be wonderful! I can't get to them. I look forward to reading. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 22:10, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! I've been in hospital for a few days. Nice rest! Boring food, but lovely staff. I asked my sister to drop you a message, and she tried, but it doesn't seem to have worked! Amandajm (talk) 10:15, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry, I didn't realise you were still working on it. I'll get out of your way then. Amandajm (talk) 03:23, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, been trying to get back to it. Been held up with life/work/stuff. Your opinion/help welcome, though. Have more to add about 20th century etc. Still aiming for a great article! Whiteghost.ink (talk) 03:54, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Tweaked the expression. When I say, you were still working, I meant at that minute. I didn't want to cause you an edit jam.
 * It's a good article. But Ho-hum, we still have two nasty people glaring at us in the red. I looked up Burchamp Clamp, but needed a little break and went off and did Michelangelo instead.... Amandajm (talk) 07:47, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Michelangelo! Hardly anything to say about him, eh? :) A passeggiàta on the parco, surely? I noticed your message just as I was leaving and hadn't seen your recent changes when I replied. I like the paired stained glass! Will do Carr Smith when I have some added some points I have about 20th century. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 08:06, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Whiteghost.ink, please don't give out information about valuable chattels!  Amandajm (talk) 10:36, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. I fixed the pics, and straightened the one of the crypt a little, which had the effect of removing the bit of chair or whatever that intruded on the left. It's an excellent inclusion, as crypts are very rare in Australia.
 * I removed a superfluous heading that was lost. I also removed a line which I consider, knowing what I know, to be a very unwise inclusion.
 * I also move the bit about the assistant rector down into a section renamed "staff" which has the list of rectors.
 * Can I suggest that you start the section on Ministry with a restatement of the fact that the church has three services on Sundays, naming which are choral, and midweek services, recitals etc. That should all go next to the pic of crypt and chapel.
 * The section on Staff needs to start with the name of the current rector, then move the bit about his assistant up next to it.
 * My mother used to tell a rude joke about the cat that crept into the crypt.
 * Amandajm (talk) 11:03, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I thought that an image of the crypt would give context to the text, the building and the Children's Chapel. Looking at the edit screen, I think my problem was the capitalisation of "JPG". Evidently, it matters. I have been of two minds about the other line for a while. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 11:28, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Gone are the days when you could leave a church open and unattended.
 * had a lovely phone conversation with my 6 yr old granddaughter who was about to go on an excursion to the Houses of parliament. She was reminding me of the day that I took her to Westminster Abbey, and what a lovely time she had, because she was allowed to go behind the red cords and lift some seats to look at the misericords. Three hundred years ago, a choir boy with the same name as her father, carved his name into one of the stalls in large scratchy letters. Her father was a choirboy in his turn, but at St Andrew's, Sydney, not the Abbey. Amandajm (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I am still trying to find my source for the combined choirs services. I have a program somewhere.  As you can imagine, parents at St Andrew's complained,  about the Anglican boys singing at St mary's, so after a few years it was abandoned, with the excuse that the choristers got too tired.  I don't know whether St James and Christ Church sill do it. Maybe they do! Can't find it online. Amandajm (talk) 06:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I looked too but cannot find it. The choirs that I have been referring to are adult professional ones, so perhaps your reference is to something quite different? When we get a reference, I think it is ready to nominate for GA (I am aiming higher but need to get on the first rung.) What do you think? I am starting on Carr Smith. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 06:41, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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 * Great! Whiteghost.ink (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * aaaand William Carr Smith.... No more red links!  Amandajm (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added some of the refs and images I have for Carr Smith. You are faster than I! Yes, no more red links. Should we remove the content that attracts "citation needed"? Whiteghost.ink (talk) 01:43, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * In answer to your last, yes, unfortunately. Until I find that program.  My son sang a solo.
 * I reckon that Wm Carr Smith ought to go for a DYK.
 * DYK: that the Christian Socialist rector of St James' Church, Sydney, William Carr Smith challenged the Diocese by introducing Anglo-Catholic practices.


 * Let's go for it! Amandajm (talk) 02:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Okey doke, if you think it's up to it. That means I ought to add the other material that exists. I will review another DYK and nominate Carr Smith. ... but it might have to be tomorrow ... the computer keeps freezing in some incomprehensible way. As I said before, I have ongoing fights with this machine. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 02:36, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't mind doing it. I have done several reviews lately, in preparation for putting up a DYK, when we had something interesting. Amandajm (talk) 05:02, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have started on Prince of Wales (ship). Have a look at my initial comments and see if I am on the right track. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 06:05, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have put up WCS, so you can use your review for the next thing, having reviewed Banded Quail and several other things a few weeks ago. I'll take a look. We are about to have our favourite pizza for dinner, as my son is working on an assignment and is exhausted. Amandajm (talk) 06:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, your review is to the point. Don't like some of the long sentences tacked together. I'll have a little go at that. It's a jolly good article. Amandajm (talk) 06:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Wrong date? Sheer stupidity!  I spose I have to fix it.  Or have you done that already while I've been eating pizza? Amandajm (talk) 10:34, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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Theology

 * Your quotation marks need sorting out.
 * If you are going to make those direct quotes that are essentially someone's opinion, then it necessary to state who you are quoting, in the text, not just reference them.

I think you are probably going a bit too far in an encyclopedic article in trying to define the theology of St James'. It begins to read like a paper, or an editorial. Enough has been said to indicate that it is very different from much of the diocese. You can't entirely generalise, because priests come and go. They haven't all been the same. Amandajm (talk) 12:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

The other problem is that you need to stop working on the article in order that it can be in a stable state. If it isn't stable, it won't get an FA. Amandajm (talk) 12:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah. Okay. Have simplified the section and will leave it. I thought I was supposed to answer/respond to reviewer's concerns. That is what I was trying to do. But yes, stability is important. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 12:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

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St James'
What lovely people we have on Wikipedia! Afernand74 has already been around and fixed some of my messes!

I have padded out the details, (dates etc) of the foundation, first service and so on, since the info was available.

I also think that the most significant scandal needs to be in there along with the most significant weddings and funerals. So I'll add it. It is a remarkable event in the history of the church.

Afernand say we need a better picture of the church. it's true, but difficult. He also advises that an infobox would be a good idea. Reluctantly, (very reluctantly) I have to agree, because it will help with FA.

Amandajm (talk) 02:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thanked Afernand. What a speedy and helpful editor! Does s/he want a better interior or exterior? And your alt captions are similarly speedy and helpful. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 02:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I notice that you sent a thank you.
 * The GregOBeirne that takes those excellent picture is located in New Zealand.
 * Well, I could do it myself. I'll get my video camera out and have a practice. I haven't used it for a while. Or maybe Gibson (my younger son) would like to do it.
 * Tea would be a very good bride. He has at least fifteen varieties of the stuff. I'll ask.
 * I just remembered that the dog had been locked in the laundry all night because of the thunderstorm. Even so, he was really stubborn about going out. I have never seen such a resentful face as when I pushed him out the door and into the rain. He stood there with his tail drooping and water running off his very greasy coat. He has such a great way of making you feel guilty!
 * Amandajm (talk) 02:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, we now have an infobox! It meant rearranging pics, but that's alright. If we do't have an infobox then one of those people that love them will shove it in, displacing everything underneath it into sections where they don't belong. That is what happens. Infobox users are a bit like smokers: they rarely consider the results.  I also discovered the Chaplaincy to city workers, which I think must go in. It's very much in the line of what you have been saying - a continuing response to current issues and concerns.
 * I have tried to re-colour that bloody box, and make it a nice Sydneyish sort of blue, but I cannot override the purple that someone has selected to represent Anglicanism. As soon as you write "Anglican" you are committed to purple. And, as you well know, we in Sydney are not the purple sort of people. Amandajm (talk) 07:35, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow. Impressive infobox. Well done. Sorry to see the Russell print moved down but I see the point and the pictures are all still there. Good work on the re-arrangement. I like the purple. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 10:23, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, we go with purple then! However, it may change suddenly because I just asked our friend Afernand if he knows how to change it.


 * Now please don't get upset, but this needs fixing
 * As an Anglican church, St James' is one of a number whose "unique or essential identity" has been described by Peter Carnley, a former primate of the Anglican Church of Australia, as "not so much a body of theological teaching, as a style of theological reflection". A style that goes back to the Elizabethan theologian Richard Hooker, it "sorts out the fundamentals of belief and behaviour by appealing to the threefold authority of scripture, authority and reason."
 * The noun in the first sentence is "identity" so that is what we are talking about.
 * It is then described in terms of a body of teaching and a style of reflection. Neither of those equals "identity" (grammatically speaking).
 * It then continues using "style" as the noun.
 * Can you sort it out?
 * Do you want to laugh? Watch this: The Kelly Family
 * Amandajm (talk) 10:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, was hurrying. I fixed an earlier error and then made another. Should be better now. Just thought that Hooker was a useful link. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 11:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

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Section on the congregation is good. Quote by Carr Smith is good. Can you get a really good extract from one of his sermons or something, that shows his character? Amandajm (talk) 09:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it - I thought it was a wonderful quote. I added another quote of his to his article. Together, I think they do give a sense of him. There is also a link to his published Christmas sermon, but being "to order" it is fairly straightforward and unexceptional. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 09:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, now someone, I suppose it was Afernand, has removed the purple, which you liked! I'm sorry!
 * Do you want it back? Amandajm (talk) 09:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'm quite happy with the new more subtle colour. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 11:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * Change 1. The pics now look messy. The choir pic needs to be reduced to the same size as the one above it. The upright pic has little relevance, and looks out of place where it now is. Layout counts.
 * Change 2. The statement about St James significance as the oldest church in s Sydney, and its special role is first paragraph stuff. In that first paragraph we are trying to say all the most important things. "Special role in the community" summarise a lot, which are then explained in part in the following paragraphs.

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 * Ok, so can we reduce the size of the stained glass window and/or increase the size of the choir pic? I think the choir pic should be near the choir section. Also, can we get back the purple in the info box so it is consistent with the other Anglican articles? Whiteghost.ink (talk) 04:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe it was Afernand that fixed the purple Sorry about that.
 * Re the Lonely little angel, I now have the pic of the eagle against the organ pipes. It's not terrible good, but it will do. I'll pair it with the angel, so we'll have an angel and an iggle. Amandajm (talk) 05:18, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The choir is much lovelier than Mr Field. Pity it can't be bigger. But he might become smaller if I can get a media file of the organ to pair him with and then the choir could be expanded a bit. However, don't have such a file yet. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 05:24, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that the caption to the lectern could be expanded a bit. Can you write about the dedication?
 * I tried the pics larger and it was too much. 1.25 is a compromise. But if Mr field was teamed with something, the choir could go up to the 1.5. Sorry the quality of the image isn't better. I needed a tripod. Amandajm (talk) 08:46, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, we can team him with the current organist eventually. The organ/eagle go well with the window, don't they? I thought the organ and eagle would be a good combination for an image. Will put the caption and dedication on my "to do" list. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 08:56, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Not the entire dedication as a caption. Too much. Have we mentioned the iggle in the text? We should, since we have a photo. Amandajm (talk) 08:24, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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Nominated Writer for Good Article?
I'm surprised that with all the quality of work you've put into Writer that you haven't nominated it for a Good Article. I was just curious as to why you had not. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 07:10, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Mainly because there were some parts that I felt I had not finished yet - some quotes were not the best ones I could get. Also, I was following the schedule of TAFI nominations so that it could be listed among TAFI achievements as going from stub to "greatly improved" but in the middle of the work and after all the effort I had put in, the TAFI system/timetable/process suddenly changed, and it was no longer eligible, which was quite disheartening. The nominations schedule needs to be stable. However, if you think "Writer" should be nominated for GA, that is encouraging. If you'd like, please make the nomination and we can collaborate on getting it through the review together.
 * By the way, I think that reasonably experienced editors are needed to work on nominated articles, not newbies. That is why I do not think TAFI should be on the main page. I think the primary purpose of TAFI is to improve articles, not attract new editors (unless the nominated articles just need copy editing and spell checking or things that a newbie could get satisfaction from doing if specific problems were pointed out). Whiteghost.ink (talk) 08:17, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

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Please don't be put off by the bear pit that is FAC. It's tough the first time when you are feeling your way through a morass of conventions and requirements. The point of not striking comments yourself is that they may not be as straightforward as you expect. One of my recent FACs had fourteen responses involving two reviewers other than me on the exact meaning of Mother Carey's chicken, and more on the translation of a single Russian word. Just to explain too why responses like ✅ should not be used, it's because templates slow down the loading of the always very large FAC page (I know you haven't done that, it's just to show that it's not a completely mindless rule). Let me know if you need any help <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  11:17, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jimfbleak. I appreciate the advice about the conventions. I'm here to learn and contribute, as my user page says :) At the moment though, I am also here to get this article through to FA! So I hope it can make it up the hill ... Whiteghost.ink (talk) 11:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the tasteful plant, Merry Christmas to you too! <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;"> Jimfbleak - </b> talk to me?  07:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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