Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2011 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final/archive1


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The article was promoted by User:Ian Rose 10:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC).

2011 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final

 * Nominator(s): SkotyWATC 00:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The final match of the 98th annual edition of the oldest soccer competition in the United States was historic for multiple reasons... breaking an attendance record, and a team three-peating as tournament champions for the first time a in 43 years. GA review for this article was completed last year, and a thorough PR was completed earlier this year. The article is complete in its coverage and is well referenced, but it may still benefit from some additional copy edit suggestions from some of the more experienced reviewers here. Overall, I believe this article is very close to FA level and will benefit from this final review and (hopefully) resulting promotion. Thank you for taking the time to read it and provide feedback. SkotyWATC 00:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Comments from Toa Nidhiki05


 * Thank you for taking the time to read the article and make suggestions. I've followed up on everything you've found so far and look forward to addressing more.  Thanks again. --SkotyWATC 15:35, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've noted a few more issues that need to be fixed, as well as some duplicate links. Once these are fixed I'll be more than happy to support (just as a note, I will be gone until around 11:30 PM EST today so if I don't respond immediately, that is why).  Toa   Nidhiki05  18:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've followed up on the remaining issues. Your time and attention in this review is appreciated. --SkotyWATC 21:36, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Support - Good job on fixing those issues; although a full source check has not been made, I think a support is warranted due to the sheer quality of the prose.  Toa   Nidhiki05  18:46, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Comments – I provided a bunch of comments on the article at its peer review, and it looks in much better shape now than it did back then. There are still some issues that I can detect, though:
 * Chicago Fire: The first sentence of the section says that the Fire had five pre-2011 final appearances, but the last sentence says they gained "their seventh trip to the U.S. Open Cup final." Which is it?
 * Good catch, I don't know how such a glaring mistake has made it through so many reviews. I changed "seventh" to "sixth" and I've double checked the sources to make sure this is correct. --SkotyWATC 04:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Venue selection: It would be nice if two straight sentences didn't end with "in order to meet demand". The first two words of both aren't even needed anyway.
 * Good suggestion. I've removed the first instance completely and shortened the second. --SkotyWATC 04:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Analysis: "however, the Fire had improved throughout the year by improving the play of their wingers and midfielders." Bit of a prose redundancy here with "improved" and "improving".
 * I changed it to "the Fire had improved throughout the year through improved play from their wingers and midfielders." --SkotyWATC 04:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * First half: The last sentence of the section is uncited; since it should be easy to find something for this, I recommend doing so because other reviewers will expect to see all of the content cited.
 * I added a reference for that. There were a number that could have fit.


 * The same goes for the end of a couple paragraphs in the Second half section. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:40, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Same. Fixed. Thank you for taking the time to review the article again. I'm glad that you found the things you did this time.  These are great improvements. --SkotyWATC 04:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support – Now that all of my comments have been addressed, I'm convinced that the article meets the FA criteria. Nice work on the page. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:09, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Image check - all OK (CC, CC OTRS). Sources and authors provided - tweaked a few Commons categories. GermanJoe (talk) 06:59, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to review the images! --SkotyWATC 04:07, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comments from TonyTheTiger


 * Second half
 * stubby 1st paragraph needs to be merged or expanded. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Merged. --SkotyWATC 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * does throw in, corner kick, rebound or goal mouth have a link. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Use goal post.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:07, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikilinked all of them. Good stuff.  These seem obvious to most of the people who have reviewed this already, but they're very familiar with soccer nuances and rules.  Thank you for these suggestions. --SkotyWATC 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Why are you piping goal mouth to goal all of a sudden and leaving post unlinked later in the sentence?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about missing rebound. Fixed. Also, I think I misunderstood your request for the goal post wikilink.  I've moved it to the word "post" from "goal mouth".  I think I've found an appropriate wikilink for "goal mouth" here: Association_football_pitch.  Hopefully that addresses these remaining concerns.  --SkotyWATC 00:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Post-match
 * "Most of the record crowd remained after the game as they watched Seattle players and coaches engaged in the post match ceremonies and celebrations on the field." - Please describe these. Were they braodcast?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, there's a picture of the club celebrating at the top of the article. They may have been broadcast, but I don't have a reference for that. The specifics (from the source referenced) are that they were handed t-shirts and awarded their trophy.  I've reworded it a bit "engaged in the post match trophy awarding ceremony and celebrated on the field." I hope this works better. --SkotyWATC 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * "The day after the match, Sounders FC flew a 3,000-square-foot scarf over Seattle and Bellevue in celebration of their victory."--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What airport was involved?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No idea. It probably would have been a municipal airport since this wasn't being pulled around by some jet.  Just a small propeller plane.  That said, I have no source for that detail. --SkotyWATC 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What type of plane?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As above, no idea. --SkotyWATC 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What did the banner say?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The source doesn't say, just that it was a "scarf". IIRC it said "Seattle Sounders FC", but if I put that in, it would be WP:OR. What's in the article now, matches the source referenced. --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What time of day? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This is actually mentioned in the source. I've reworded the latter half of the sentence to this: "over Seattle and Bellevue in the afternoon and early evening respectively, in celebration of their victory." --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * square-foot metric conversion with convert --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Neat. Done. --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Was the prize shared by the players or for the club owners?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no source that says how it was divided up. MLS teams (and the league) are always very secretive about player salaries, prize money, sponsorship funds, etc., so it's by no means unusual that this level of detail is just not available. --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * How did they do at CONCACAF Champions League? --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added the following sentence with a reference: "In the Champions League, Seattle won their group and were eventually knocked out of the tournament in the semifinals by Mexican club Santos Laguna." --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 01:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Images
 * Images are all PD, but; the WP:CAPTIONS are sometimes ungrammatical. The use of the period seems to be independent of whether the caption is a full sentence or not.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reviewing the images. I've made updates to the captions I thought were problematic. If you still think there are issues with the captions that need to be addressed, please provide specific suggestions. --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 05:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Support Fine example of an article on a single match. Resolute 15:04, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Comments from ArsenalFan700

I added the template for the Chicago Fire's matches as they have been in quite a few Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cups and some MLS Cups as well. However, when I added the template I saw that the Seattle Sounders FC matches template was added in a different format from what I am used to... is that right? I just want to make sure because if it is then I would recommend the same be done for the Chicago Fire template. Also, there are a lot of red links in the Chicago Fire matches template, I will create those pages when I can, just thought I let you know. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 01:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. The format looks the same to me, so I don't see a problem. If you have further comments on this topic, let's take them to the talk page since they're not really related to reviewing the content of the article. Thanks! --SkotyWAT<sub style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">C 03:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ha, I noticed that, I just wanted to get this to your attention. Anyway, I made the change and it worked fine so my problem is fixed... now I need Ford to make his pro debut and I am set. Cheers mate and any more questions will be on the talk page. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 03:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Graham Colm (talk) 15:42, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.