Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Aston Martin Rapide/archive1

Aston Martin Rapide

 * Nominator(s):  750h+ &#124;   Talk  14:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

This comprehensive (but very short, at 1600 words) article explores what could arguably be considered the most beautiful four-door car in the early twenty-first century, the Aston Martin Rapide. It is my second FAC, following the submission of the Aston Martin DB9 page (which has been promoted). I appreciate the comments on the DB9 article I got and appreciate any comments you may have on this article as well!  750h+ &#124;  Talk  14:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Comments from Llewee

 * Hello, I hope these comments are helpful.--Llewee (talk) 19:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I think overall the article might benefit from a bit more context. As someone who is admittedly quite ignorant about this subject I felt a certain degree of prior knowledge was assumed. Maybe add a background section explaining what a saloon car is and briefly discussing the car's predecessors.
 * done
 * , This is a good start but I think the introduction still assumes too high a degree of prior knowledge. Could you include an explanation of what an executive saloon car is?--Llewee (talk) 22:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think that because they’re linked that it shouldn’t be necessary. FAs like Kwinana Freeway don't define what a freeway is, they simply provide a link. In the Ceres (dwarf planet) article, it doesn't explain the concept of a dwarf planet directly but rather links to another page for that explanation. 750h+ 23:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok that's fine, I'm not hugely familiar with what's expected in this corner of the site.


 * "where the other VH platform cars—comprising the DB9, the DBS, the Vantage and the second-generation Vanquish—are produced" - This information isn't mentioned in the body of the article of the article and seems a bit excessive for the lead.
 * done. I don't think it's excessive for the lead, as they're all platform siblings. I've mentioned in the body of the article.


 * "Following a £1.6 million funding from the Regional Growth Fund (RGF), in 2012 Aston Martin shifted production of the Rapide to Gaydon, a village in Warwickshire." - I think you need to add an additional word, "package" or something similar, after "funding". Also could clarify how this worked, were they given the money in exchange for moving to Warwickshire?
 * done
 * I would suggest taking out the text after "with the goal of..." as its the kind of fluffy language journalists copy from government press releases. A clearer way of wording the rest of the first part of the sentence might be "The funding was part of an agreement between the UK government and private industry to invest £200m in the economy."--Llewee (talk) 22:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. What do you think now? 750h+ 23:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstood what I meant. I think it would be a good idea to delete the current sentence and replace it with - "The funding was part of an agreement between the UK government and private industry to invest £200m in the economy."--Llewee (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * done. now........? 750h+ 01:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's great.--Llewee (talk) 23:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * would you be feeling inclined to express whether you support or oppose the nomination? 750h+ 07:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * "Its rear greenhouse slopes and narrows towards the back and over the rear haunches to improve its sporty aesthetic." - I think "improve" sounds a bit non-neutral, maybe change to "emphasise" or "increase"?
 * done
 * i've addressed these. thoughts now? 750h+ 11:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Friendly ping

 * would you be feeling inclined to express whether you support or oppose the nomination? 750h+ 06:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Femke
Thanks for writing the article. Overall, it's well-written. I see my taste on what makes a pretty car deviates quite a lot from those professional critics.
 * The first thing I look for in any car article is the fuel efficiency. The efficiency is mentioned, but not put into context (it's quite bad, right?)
 * done


 * I agree with the above that the article is a bit difficult to understand for the non-initiated: a few words I couldn't understand from context are the platform, greenhouse, wings. Can you improve the context so it can be better understood. If that doesn't work, gloss?
 * so i've explained the first one in a note. I changed "greenhouse" to "rear window" for better understanding. "wings" are also explained in a note


 * Note 1 says Aston Martin has produced numerous four-door cars, whereas later in the text it says "Aston Martin has made two four-door cars over its lifetime". Is this contradictory?
 * fixed


 * Regional Growth Fund (RGF) --> RGF is introduced as abbreviation, but never used. Please omit.
 * done


 * I don't think "Austin, Mike (9 February 2010).. " is being cited. Lights up in my harv error script.
 * it was an absolutely horrible idea of mine to put every reference in a bibliography. i've fixed that


 * "Before assuming his position as the lead designer, Reichman studied the characteristics of Aston Martin's cars and preliminarily made numerous sketches for a four-door concept." --> the word preliminarily here is unnecessary I think; best avoided as a difficult word.
 * done


 * The first paragraph of Design and technology has some slight overcitations. An overabudance of citations can break the flow for readers. So avoid more than 1/2 cites for non-controversial statements.
 * fixed


 * Was it ever revealed why the EV was not put into production?
 * added


 * Is there a reason we use Bez' honorific? Should usually be avoided per MOS:DOC unless it's really relevant for context that they have this qualification.
 * removed

—Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oh Femke! I didn't expect to see you here! I take high inspiration from the Sustainable energy article you produced! I'll address your comments shortly. 750h+ 02:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi I've addressed your concerns. do you think I've addressed them well, or have I forgotten anything? 750h+ 05:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Brilliant. I think that the description of why it was axed doesn't align perfectly with the sources (which focus a bit more on the company wanting to focus more on the launch of DBX). At that point of time, most platforms would not have been adjusted to EVs, but other companies did bring EVs in production. You may also want to add the design had become something of a "research project". —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * altered the sentence. thoughts now? 750h+ 08:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Better. In terms of prose, "had reportedly" indicates that it's uncertain. Should this be moved further into the sentence (so that it refers not to the cancellation, but to the reason for the cancellation?). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 09:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * done 750h+ 10:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * apologies for the ping, but do you have any more comments? 750h+ 13:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No more comments. I'm leaning support, but want to give it another read-over after another reviewer is done. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yessss! Very much appreciate your support Femke. 750h+ 07:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * What makes de Paula, Matthew reliable? It's a Forbes contributor piece (rather than staff). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 09:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Replaced it with a Los Angeles Times source. 750h+ 09:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Pseud 14
Placeholder. Will take a look soon. Pseud 14 (talk) 02:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks Pseud :)). 750h+ 03:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Graz, Austria -- link Graz in the lead
 * VH platform -- could use linking in the lead too, to provide context
 * Prototypes underwent testing at the Nürburgring to ensure linear power -- link first instance of Nürburgring
 * Reviewers and automotive publishers mostly praise -- mostly praised
 * That's all from me. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for these wonderful comments I've addressed them :). 750h+ 01:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Pseud 14 (talk) 01:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your support Pseud :)). Much appreciated 🥰. 750h+ 01:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Image review

 * What is the value of the standalone Media section? If these files are felt to be important, why is there not accompanying text against which they could be placed?


 * Lead image needs a caption to clarify which model it is. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I've clarified the model in the lead image and I've removed the standalone media section. 750h+ 13:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

SC

 * Lead
 * Neither in the lead or body do you clarify who or what "Magna Steyr" is. Just something as simple as "automobile manufacturer" would clarify
 * clarified


 * "saving weight": is it saving weight, or is it reducing weight? Not sure myself which the best word would be!
 * changed to reducing weight. i think it makes more sense


 * Design and technology
 * "carried over from the Aston Martin DB9, which the initiated of the VH platform": I think the grammar has gone a little awry here
 * fixed lol


 * Per MOS:BLOCKQUOTE, You don't need the quotemarks for the Ulrich blockquote "The Rapide will be the most elegant four...
 * there was only one quote mark, which was really dumb of me. fixed

That's my lot. - SchroCat (talk) 13:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks you so much for these comments I've addressed them all. Much appreciated. 750h+ 15:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - SchroCat (talk) 20:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks SchroCat! Very much appreciate your support. 750h+ 01:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Source review
I see several newspapers that their Wikipedia articles say are "tabloids", such as Philadelphia Daily News and Northwest Herald, as well as the super-local The Shuttle (newspaper). Might need an explanation of how they are "high-quality reliable sources". I am not sure I see a lot of consistency about which sources are in the news section and the magazines/websites one - for example, why is "The Globe and Mail." in the magazines/websites section? I don't think that WIRED, The Guardian and other news websites get an ISSN. Also not sure that "Classic Driver" is a high-quality reliable source. I kinda wonder if there are company websites, pamphlets and the like. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I have
 * removed all ISSNs, aren't particularly necessary because all sources are accessible.
 * The Globe and the Mail is an online newspaper source, which is why it is in the "Online magazines, websites and newspapers" (I've renamed that to "Online sources" for clarity).
 * Classic Driver source removed.
 * Replacing the tabloid newspapers may take a while, so I'll get back to you when I finish.
 * 750h+ 23:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've removed every tabloid newspaper except one instance in the "Reception" section, as that is composed of subjective opinions. Thoughts now? 750h+ 00:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * just a little "in case" ping... 750h+ 06:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Is ""Rapide E - first all-electric Aston Martin". The Shuttle. Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England. " still used anywhere? Is a spotcheck needed? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've removed the Shuttle source. You can do a spot check if it's necessary. 750h+ 08:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC) 80
 * 1 Where does it say 2010? That's in #12
 * 2 Where does 4387 and the width come from?
 * 12 Not sure what this one backs.
 * 13 OKish
 * 19 Where does it give the locality?
 * 25 Can't access this one.
 * 28 OKish
 * 31 Doesn't mention Rapide
 * 39 OK
 * 40 OKish
 * 47 OK
 * 50 OK
 * 57 Supports part of the text.
 * 60 It says 580hp not 595 and I am not sure why 4.4 seconds is given when the source discusses both 4.4 and 4.2 Sidenote: Why do car manufacturers care so much about maximum speeds and accelerations? Most people don't use their cars in races (and these who do, shouldn't)
 * 61 Where is 21 inch?
 * 64 It says RapidE not Rapide E?
 * 65 It says deliveries not production?
 * 66 OK
 * 77 OK


 * Responses:
 * 1 I've added another reference.
 * 2 I've added references for all of the dimensions
 * 12 This reference is support alongside one other source
 * 13 (refer to 12)
 * 19 locality removed
 * 25 You can access that through EBSCO, you should have access via the WP Library
 * 31 (in this version) doesn't mention the Rapide for a reason. It's to display that the DBS also uses the VH platform.
 * 60 I've changed that to 4.2 seconds (4.4 was for the previous S).
 * 61 (in this version) is explained in the source next to it. I've placed them next to each other for neatness (I didn't want to put one of the references within the sentence).
 * 64 The RapidE is the same as the Rapide E. I've explained that within the sentence.
 * 65 I've changed "production" to "deliveries".
 * I hope my responses were helpful. 750h+ 10:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Checked 25, it checks out. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping this constitutes a source review pass? Unless you have any other comments, Jo-Jo. 750h+ 11:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think, although given that the cites were renumbered I didn't double check. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Co-ord query

 * this nomination has been open for nearly a month, and has made its way into the "Older nominations" section. could i possibly get some input from the to see what they think about this nom? 750h+ 08:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks to be heading in the right direction but I’d like to keep this open for a while to see if it attracts further commentary. FrB.TG (talk) 08:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

PCN02WPS
Per request on my talk page I will give this a look. Comments to follow. PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 15:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Lead and infobox
 * "automobile from the company, Aston Martin began developing" → dangling modifier; the first part of the sentence refers to the car, not the company
 * done


 * "comprising the DB9, the DBS, the Vantage and the second-generation Vanquish" → I don't think "comprising" is necessary here
 * done

Development
 * "a team composed of twenty-six engineers" → simplify by removing "composed" - "a team of twenty-six engineers" gives the same information
 * done


 * "General Manager of Prototype Operations" → not sure that this needs caps
 * done


 * "Ian Calnan, built a full-scale prototype" → remove comma
 * done


 * "After its completion on 22 December" → since there's a year change in this sentence, I think adding "2005" to the date would be helpful
 * done


 * "via the Internet" → seems a strange thing to specify; I guess it wasn't necessarily a given in 2006 but I am not sure that this information is all that necessary here
 * removed “via the Internet”

Design and technology
 * "Its chassis, bodywork and structure" → change to "The Rapide's chassis..." since the last car mentioned was the DB9
 * done


 * "Connectivity features include Bluetooth, satellite radio and USB and iPod compatibility" → could consider rewording the end of this sentence to read "and compatibility with USB and iPod" to make it a touch more readable
 * done

Powertrains
 * Part of this section talks about the car in the past tense while the previous one and part of this one use present tense. I would recommend present throughout
 * done


 * "—inefficient" → this seems to stick out and I am confused as to whether this is an official classification from some organization or just a comment on the fact that it was inefficient. Either way, I think more context and/or attribution is needed here for this to be helpful to the reader
 * changed to “which is considered inefficient”

Electric conversion
 * Using "Aston Martin" in all of the first four sentences of this section gets very repetitive very quickly; recommend leaving the first use and changing the subsequent three to "they"
 * done


 * "Aston Martin, at the 2018 International Motor Show, confirmed that deliveries" → Further, I'd reformat this sentence to say "At the 2018 Int'l Motor Show, they confirmed..."
 * done


 * "their St Athan, Wales production" → comma after "Wales" per MOS:GEOCOMMA
 * done


 * Not sure that the WLTP acronym is needed since it's not used at all in the article
 * removed

Reception
 * "the Aston Martin Rapide's exterior and interior" → "Aston Martin" is not needed here, by now the reader knows who made the car
 * done


 * "as long as occupants were not tall, the Rapide would transport four "with elegance"" → more so a personal preference, but I think this sentence would flow better if the clauses were switched (that way you can ditch the comma, too)
 * done


 * "engines on sale, but described the" → remove comma
 * removed

Overall, very well written (as was the DB9 article), just a few things above. PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 16:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * much thanks for these comments, very much appreciated 🙏. 750h+ 23:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Nice work as always. Support PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 20:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks PCNP2WPS, appreciated as always! 750h+ 23:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Comments Support from Gog the Mild
Recusing to review.


 * Bibliography: Most of your article titles are in sentence case but some - eg "Carbon-Fiber Panels Reduce Car's Weight" - are not. They should be consistent. How they appear in the original is irrelevant. Similarly re "Online sources".
 * fixed


 * Suggest running the archive links tool.
 * i have tried to run it multiple times but for some reason none of the links got archived
 * How odd. The bot seems to not like that page. Ah well, I suppose that we can get by without.


 * Run the first sentence of the lead on into the second paragraph.
 * done


 * "employs extensive use". You don't need both "employs" and "use". "uses, employs extensive use". Using "uses and "use" in four words is a little clumsy. Could you have a go at rephrasing.
 * done


 * "where the other VH platform cars ... are produced." "are" is present tense, are all of the four vehicles listed still produced there?
 * no, fixed

More to follow. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for these initial comments, Gog (sorry for being annoying on your talk page ). do you by any chance know how I can fix your second concern though (archiving links)? 750h+ 00:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I am going to do some copy editing. If you object to any of it, which is fine, could you let me know here. Likewise if you want to know the rationale for any change. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I started looking at this with a view to closing it. I have ended up contributing more to it than I had anticipated, to the edge of being involved. From an abundance of caution I shall recuse, support promotion and ask one of my colleagues to close. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * YES! Thanks Gog, much appreciate this!! 750h+ 23:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * just a tiny bit concerned about the amount of time this has been open for, considering the previous nomination was shorter but the article was longer. Can I get some input (this is getting really close to the bottom of the list)? 750h+ 00:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not sure where the fire is; all things come to those who wait. BTW, I notice the four citations for the first sentence in Reception are not in numerical sequence. No prob if that's deliberate but in case it's not... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 22:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)