Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Croatia national football team/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 17:48, 25 July 2008.

Croatia national football team

 * Nominator(s): Domiy

This page has recently underwent substantial updates and contributions. I myself and the other editors on the page have ensured it is of the highest accuracy and relevancy, hence references are more than commonly included. Amongst its superior content (which other national football team pages lack), this article is well written. This has also been ensured. Whilst many edits came in over this past month, I myself and sometimes others have gone through and reworded every difficult sentence. As a result, this article is currently in an excellently written prose. With the minor exception of a small amount of sentences being of long length, the rest of the page is very enticingly written, done after careful consideration. Just as the criteria states, its prose is very engaging and of professional quality.

In addition, it is written in a neutral manner. Whilst there were previous issues with this criteria, it is completely solved now as the articles content is stated in an encyclopedic manner and nothing more. It has been this way for a well time standing as well (it is stable!). The structure is also user friendly, all headings and subheadings are in chronological order and easily navigational on by other users in the Table of Contents. The lead has been personally written by me in such a way that it succinctly but still detailed mannered summarizes the rest of the coming article. The lead section is actually the most focused on, as a result of my personal view that a good lead section will entice the user to read further. Subject to such a regard, a lot of trouble has been gone through to find images. This article has all relevant images of the past and present issues of the national team. Such includes famous players, a famous lineup diagram, historical times and supporters and stadiums.

With consideration of all this, I think that this article is currently worthy of becoming a Featured Article material. It previously went under a peer review which was followed and hence fixed up now. Again, compared mainly with the Scotland national football team article, this one includes much more accurate and quantifiable information. Such are the reasons that this article is also up for nomination, and in the long experienced opinion of all its editors, deserves to be. Domiy (talk) 10:39, 24 July 2008


 * Oppose sorry, even a really quick glance through shows multiple WP:MOS breaches (e.g. WP:HEAD, WP:DASH, WP:CITE), POV (Notable players - what makes them notable?), grammar problems, image problems (e.g. Image:Suker and boban.jpg. I'd recommend a speedy withdrawal and, if you correct the previous, a peer review before returning here.  The Rambling Man (talk) 11:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * question Why is the FIFA sanctioned free image Image:Flag_of_Croatia.svg not used to represent the team in preference to the copyrighted Image:Croatia_football_federation.png? Does this meet WP:NFCC#8? Fasach Nua (talk) 12:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be more concerned with the use of a fully copywritten image, in the form of this one. I'm off to delete... The Rambling Man (talk) 12:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - I noticed that this isn't even assessed at B-Class now. Listen to The Rambling Man and withdraw this, then put it at peer review again for a run at good article status. Here are a few reasons that this isn't ready. Hopefully these comments will be of some help. However, this is not ready for FAC at this time.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 15:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Recent Call Ups should be Recent call ups.
 * The references need publisher, last access date and date where avaliable.
 * A handful of questionable sources. For example, becomeacroatiafan.com is a fan site. What makes it a reliable source?
 * Here are a few examples of statements that need citations.
 * "To date, their international squad during their successful first few years has been referred to as their "Golden Generation""
 * "This was marked by their tensional (?) final game, a 2-2 draw with Yugoslavia in Zagreb which saw much unmentioned controversy."
 * "This marked the beginning of what many called a new era for Croatia."
 * There are numerous statements that I consider POV. Here's an example: "They have been a strong force in international football ever since". This is overstating things slightly. They're good, but not Brazil or Italy. Another is "The famous Zlatko Kranjčar took over...". Instead of saying he's famous, tell us why he's well-known (in this case, as a former player).
 * Prose is not of FA standard. If you take this article back to peer review, try asking a peer review volunteer for a copy-edit, as one is badly needed.
 * Match scores should have en dashes, not hyphens.
 * Watch out for overlinking. For example, FIFA is linked five times.
 * Oppose While the article is much improved from what it was previously, there are several issues to be resolved before it is ready for FAC. I meant to raise these at the peer review, but I've been off-wiki for the past week. I will leave more detailed comments on the article talk page. Oldelpaso (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Having only partially copyedited the article, I can say that the tone is less than encyclopedic ("memorable" was used seemingly indiscriminately), the references are wanting and the writing fraught with ambiguity and redundancy. I recommend addressing the objections here, then submitting to GA. Regards, Skomorokh  16:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn by nominator. Please leave the  template in place on the talk page until the bot comes through, per WP:FAC/ar.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 17:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.