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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose 12:03, 8 August 2012.

Liverpool F.C. in European football

 * Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 11:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe the article now meets the criteria. One of the main issues in the last nomination was the prose, the article has recently had a copyedit and hopefully these issues have now been resolved. Thanks in advance for your comments. NapHit (talk) 11:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments –
 * Not a big fan of what your copy-editor did by linking England and Great Britain in the lead. Such well-known countries really don't need the extra links.
 * "The UEFA Cup Winners Cup was inaugurated in 1960, created for the winners of domestic cup competitions." The re-wording has revealed a little redundancy; "was inaugurated in 1960 for the winners..." would be tighter than what's there now.
 * First two words can be removed from "in order to intimidate the Italians."
 * In the 1981 Intercontinental Cup summary, the score needs an en dash. The copy-editor should have caught that one.
 * "A 6–2 aggregate victory up a tie against Auxerre of France in the second round...". Missing "set" before "up".
 * Conflict between singular and plural tenses here: "This proved the club's most successful campaign since its return to European competition, as they reached the semi-finals, where they were eliminated 3–2 on aggregate by French team Paris Saint-Germain."
 * "but victory in the 2011–12 Football League Cup ensured Liverpool a place in 2012–13 UEFA Europa League." Missing "the" before 2012–13?
 * Did we ever establish LFC History as a reliable source for FAC purposes? Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Done all the above. Regarding LFC History, it is a statistical site which provide the official stats of the club. This is evidenced by the sixth paragraph on this page. NapHit (talk) 10:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments
 * "...having conceded the fourth place needed to qualify for the Champions League to Chelsea on the final day of the previous league season" the sentence suggests that Liverpool were in pole position for fourth place, but in actual fact Chelsea were there since January 2003. Could be rephrased.
 * Agree, it wasn't the best wording, had a go at rephrasing it, should be more clearer now. NapHit (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "Juventus won the match 1–0, Michel Platini scoring" replace comma with semicolon
 * done NapHit (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "Liverpool faced six-time European champions Milan in the final at the Atatürk Stadium in Istanbul." would be nice to include when – the specific date perhaps.
 * done NapHit (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "The victory also entitled Liverpool to compete" 'entitled' used in the previous sentence, perhaps find another word to avoid repetition
 * have changed the one in the previous sentence to allowed, should solve the problem. NapHit (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "but victory in the 2011–12 Football League Cup" → "but victory in the 2012 Football League Cup Final"
 * done NapHit (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ref 57 published on BBC News – BBC Sport Online was created in 2000.
 * done NapHit (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ref 59 needs author (Trever Brooking) -- Lemonade51 (talk) 14:58, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * done NapHit (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * UEFA Cup Winners' Cup is missing a apostrophe on Winners in "The UEFA Cup Winners Cup was inaugurated in 1960"
 * done NapHit (talk) 22:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "Liverpool entered the 1983–84 European Cup as 1982–83 Football League champions" any reason why that Football League season is wikilinked and the others aren't? Moreover, to avoid ambiguity, they won the 'Football League First Division' – Football League refers to the entire group of teams. Perhaps you can rephrase the sentence to something like "Liverpool entered the 1983–84 European Cup as league champions for the fourth time in five seasons" so it would be more inline.
 * done as suggested NapHit (talk) 22:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "German team Hamburg, who had just signed Keegan." could do with a citation.
 * done NapHit (talk) 22:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "Their first match, in the UEFA Cup, was against Finnish side Kuusyi Lahti, which they won 6–1." also could do with a ref. Managed to find the match report from the Guardian archive (Stephen Bierley is the author) should you wish to use it. Lemonade51 (talk) 00:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * cited this and sentence after as well, not sure if you're supposed to include the link, when its an archive, but done it anyway can always be removed if you're not supposed to. NapHit (talk) 22:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Support My concerns have been addressed. Happy to support on prose and comprehensiveness. Lemonade51 (talk) 21:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Support Strikes the right balance between maintaining comprehensiveness and avoiding undue weight, which in the case of a club who have played in Europe as often as Liverpool is no easy task. Football-wise its looking solid as I read through it. Just a couple of nitpicks: "KR Reykjavík" suffers PIN number syndrome syndrome. Not keen on the single word easter egg link to 1973 UEFA Cup Final, perhaps it would be better if "second European final" was the linked term. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:08, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support, have fixed the two nitpicks you had. NapHit (talk) 21:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. Good work. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Delegate notes
 * Couldn't see evidence of an image check above.
 * I have no issue with a hatnote like Main article: Heysel Stadium Disaster at the beginning of a section dedicated to summarising the topic, but it does look a bit odd in the middle of a section. In this case I'd expect the main article to be linked in-line, e.g. piping it to "caused a retaining wall to collapse" or some such. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree about the hat note, have changed as you suggested. Regarding the image check, should I ask someone to do one, or wait and see if is done? NapHit (talk) 16:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Listed request at WT:FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Image check I've run through all the images, and their copyright status is fine (File:Bill Shankly statue.jpg appears in line with the UK's freedom of panorama laws as explained at Commons, and the information provided for the release of File:Amicizia.jpg by its creator looks fine to me). Nick-D (talk) 11:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tks Nick. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


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