Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Spinning Around/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose 13:24, 28 March 2014.

Spinning Around

 * Nominator(s): WonderBoy1998 (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

This article is about Australian recording artist Kylie Minogue's 2000 single "Spinning Around", which is perhaps best known for being her comeback single and for its music video. I believe this article meets the criteria for a featured article. Although information on this song is fairly limited when it comes to its composition etc. I think all available information has been done justice. Thank you! WonderBoy1998 (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: WonderBoy1998. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. The following nominators are WikiCup participants: WonderBoy1998. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Quick comment: Use Cite journal, not cite book for Billboard scans as you're sourcing a magazine, not a book. Also, Billboard should be under "work", not publisher. That goes to either Nielsen Business or Prometheus Global Media (be consistent on which one you choose). Erick (talk) 03:00, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It has been modified. Is it fine now? --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 16:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I give the article another look when I have the time. ;) Erick (talk) 21:33, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't find any outstanding issues, so I'll support the article. Erick (talk) 08:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 08:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Comment  - I will copyedit as I read (please revert if I accidentally change the meaning) and drop questions below. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 *  It contains lyrics through which the singer claims that she has changed and is not the same person she was before. - huh? this definitely needs rewording....


 *  It also received considerable backlash in the country as many critics criticised its different musical approach and figuring Minogue's career was over. - "figured" (?)


 *  Abdul had originally intended to record the song for her own studio album, but later scrapped the plan - any information at all on why? as this is about the song the information would be good to add.


 * footnote 13 now coming up as a deadlink (?)


 * Also - can we add anything at all about remixes and/or extended mixes - typing it into google seems to show some potential material to add

Overall, fairly tight - but the last might indicate some comprehensiveness issues to address. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:50, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comments. Those regarding the copy edit one has been addressed. As for the dead links, it seems because Kylie's site just got a reboot, and many parts aren't completely up yet. So I have made some replacements. However, I don't think the remixes will add much, since all seem to be non-official. I have also added some information pertaining to Abdul, using her official site as a source. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 15:14, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * okay - will have another look-through. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I think adding a bit about how Jamie Nelson found it as a demo would be good. Remember this article is about the song and not just Kylie doing it, so it helps flesh out the song's journey.
 * I have added a few sentences regarding his involvement now, please take a look --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 12:23, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, better. Need to sleep on this - looking ok overall, I just wonder about comprehensiveness but am mindful we are limited by sourcing. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:41, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * So does this article have your support now, or are there more issues to address? As for the comprehensiveness issue, well it is an old song and mostly people tend to focus more on the hotpants rather than the actual song itself. :( --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 12:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes I think. 20:32, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 18:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comments from WikiRedactor
 * There is one dead link that needs to be corrected.
 * I suggest separating "Critical reception" and "Commercial performance" into their own plain headings instead of subheads as they currently are.
 * Can you make the screenshot from the music video a little bit larger?
 * I would like to see ! scope= "row" applied to all of the weekly charts listed in the table.
 * I also recommend organizing the references in columns of three instead of columns of two as they currently are.
 * Can you link Portal:Kylie Minogue in the "See also" section?
 * You may be interested in creating a book for Light Years and linking that in all of the relevant articles, as well.
 * Since the music video is so important, you might want to include an external link to its YouTube video in the "External links" section.

Everything else looks to be in good shape, and I trust that you will address the corrections I've raised, so I am confident in giving my support for the nomination. WikiRedactor (talk) 19:27, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have made all the corrections and additions except the book one and the book has also been made. Thank you for the faith you have put in me! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 18:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comments from Prism
 * Background and composition
 * A fan-site is used three times. This is certainly not acceptable for an FA.
 * The fan-site is Abdul's official fansite. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Reference 14 only contains the lyrics of "Spinning Around", it does not accurately talk about the song's theme. You'll have to change this part of the section.
 * I have added some analysis. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * "According to the sheet music of the song published by BMG Rights Management at Musicnotes.com" is redundant.
 * Not necessarily, music sheets published by different outlets often differ, thus mentioning from which outlet the sheet is being followed is important. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Critical reaction
 * "Minogue was also nominated for "Best Female Artist", but lost to country singer-songwriter Kasey Chambers.[19]" is irrelevant to the song in discussion.
 * Removed. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Commercial performance
 * "In Australia it was certified gold by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) prior to its release." Why was that? Due to pre-orders, (...)?
 * I thought it was obvious but yes I have added some words to convey this


 * Formats and track listings
 * Please change the name of this section to Track listings.
 * Changed --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The Hung Medien reference is not reliable for track listing information. You will have to find another one.

Considering I reccomended you to nominate this for FA, I'm happy you did, though there are some problems here and I'm going to have to Oppose for now. However, I trust in you to fix these issues so when you do, just ping me and I'll give my support. :) Prism   △  11:33, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I have addressed all the issues --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I give you my Support, considering all the changes were carried out successfully. Could you also comment on Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Natalia Kills/archive1, please? Prism   △  13:40, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and yes I'll comment on the list nomination. I just noticed you had asked me to do so on my talk page too, but it slipped out of my mind. Anyway, I took the liberty to strikeout your previous oppose. Thanks again --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 13:52, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Media review
 * File:KylieMinogueSpinningAroundVideo.jpg: "The points made above apply equally" is not really strong enough for a purpose - the points made in the other FUR are much more relevant to the bio, not the album. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh I am so sorry I forgot the change the rationale after I used it in the article. I have made changes now --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 11:26, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Comments
 * "recorded by the latter": "latter" refers to the second of only two items on a list, not four
 * Changed. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 11:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * "claiming that she has changed as a person": she is not a person?
 * "As a person" here clearly means that her personality has changed. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 11:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * "favourable": this article is written in British English, so please place British English in the talk page
 * Added --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 11:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * became Minogue's "comeback" single: I can see that it is sourced in the "Commercial performance" section, but with the quotation marks (") this seems like your own opinion
 * It is directly adapted from the Official Charts source, and "Spinning Around" is often referred to as Minogue's comeback single. Quotation marks are used since comeback is not really an adjective. However, your comment has reminded me that quotes should always be followed by a supporting citation, hence one has been added in the lead. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 11:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * "It entered the singles chart of Australia": why don't you use "entered the Australian Singles Chart?
 * Changed. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 11:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * "The song also debuted at number one in the United Kingdom, where it became her first single to peak atop the chart in a decade. Elsewhere, it reached the top five in Ireland and New Zealand": I'd have merged the two sentences
 * I have not chosen to merge it since Australia and the UK are Minogue's main markets, and the occurrence of "where it became her first single to peak atop the chart in a decade" with Ireland and New Zealand in one sentence would seem wrong since two sentences should be merged if only related. Here the chart information of UK and Ireland/New Zealand are different aspects.


 * "It became extremely popular": Once again this sounds like your own opinion
 * I have removed 'extremely,' perhaps a little bias, although the amount of media coverage it gained perhaps does justify it. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 11:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Honestly I think that this article is not ready for FA status. Doesn't mean that I am confident that my articles are perfect, but just concerning about the article's quality. Cheers, &mdash; Simon (talk) 06:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * your comments and input are greatly appreciated, regardless of whether they are negative or positive. Thanks! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 11:42, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I suggest dividing the "Background and Composition" section into two separate sections &mdash; Simon (talk) 15:03, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Divided. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The file you used in the "Live performances" section was actually Minogue performing "Cupid Boy". Try to use an another file or remove it. &mdash; Simon (talk) 09:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * She was wearing the same thing so I thought it wouldn't matter... Anyway I did find a replacement --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 12:44, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Comments from MHOD: Excellent article, a few points:
 * Song sample; 19 second to 19-second (compound adjective)
 * British (people) does not need linking
 * [decision] "made by her", slightly redundant phrasing
 * "ass [sic]" in caption. As a recognised variant of arse (OED), this doesn't count as erroneous spelling, and WP:MOS/Quote doesn't suggest use of sic for purposes of "trivial spelling and typographic errors".
 * Wow I didn't know that! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 04:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

That's all for now. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 18:46, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * "Live performances": "completion of 60 years as Queen", awkward phrasing: just replace with Diamond Jubilee as per the link
 * Image of Kylie with hot pants doesn't need a full stop as per WP:MOS/Captions, as it is a sentence fragment
 * "Background and composition": "asserts that people like them", change to "appreciate" or equivalent, since you use "like" preceding and proceeding this sentence to mean "such as". When first reading it I was slightly confused.
 * I have addressed all the issues you have pointed out, which were really useful and detailed! Thanks a lot! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 04:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Considering that I have no reason not to Support the article. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 17:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Note -- First FAC, WonderBoy? If so, welcome! Regardless of the outcome of the open commentary above, I'll want see a source review for formatting and reliability of the referencing, and a spotcheck of sources for accuracy and avoidance of close paraphrasing. I'll list requests for both at WT:FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Source review—Taking a random sampling of available sources; 7 sources is ~10% of the 68 used, sources checked determined at random.
 * FN5 (cited: "In the United Kingdom, however, Impossible Princess sold less than Minogue's previous albums and peaked at number ten on the UK Albums Chart."). Source provides the stated chart position; nothing on relative sales however. Perhaps this could be presented as being less successful, rather than selling less, as chart positions alone don't directly translate to albums sold (only albums sold that week). ?
 * FN7 (and FN2) (cited: "After various discussions, Minogue decided to do what she did "best" and record a simple pop album inspired by disco and Europop, entitled Light Years."). FN7 supports all but the stated genres; these are both covered in FN2. ✔
 * FN42 (cited: "On 30 June 2000, Minogue performed "Spinning Around" on British music chart television programme Top of the Pops."). Source contains all attributed information. ✔
 * FN33 (cited: "The hotpants were deemed "iconic" and were said to be the reason behind "Spinning Around" becoming a "musical and visual anthem in 2000."" and "British artist and photographer Katerina Jebb came across the hotpants in a flea market where she purchased them for fifty pence. She gave them to Minogue, who wore them in a photo shoot for her website and then to a fancy dress party. One night before the shoot for the video, a last-minute search through Minogue's wardrobe was conducted to find a suitable outfit and the gold hotpants were singled out. The media attention the clothing piece would garner had not been expected by Minogue, who said "I never imagined what impact a 50p pair of hotpants would have.""). Everything's in there. ✔
 * FN55 (cited: "A medley of "Spinning Around", "Shocked", "What Do I Have to Do" and "Step Back in Time" was performed during the For You, For Me tour in 2009, Minogue's first North American tour."). The medley, the date and the fact it was the first North American tour are all present. ✔
 * FN25 (cited: ""Spinning Around" charted within the top 40 for a total of 11 weeks" and "Her previous chart-topping single was "Tears on My Pillow" from her second studio album Enjoy Yourself (1989)"). Everything cited is present. ✔
 * If this needs to be more comprehensive I can take a wider sampling; only one minor issue detected in what I've checked, though. GRAPPLE   X  16:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the spotcheck! I have changed the "sold less" to "less successful." Thanks once again! --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 16:06, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, tks for that, Grapple. At this stage of the game, I'm not going to insist on the source review for formatting and reliability, the spotcheck for accuracy and avoidance of close paraphrasing was the main thing I was after. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:44, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Ian Rose (talk) 10:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
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