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The article was promoted by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 23:46, 24 February 2017.

Yellow-faced honeyeater

 * Nominator(s): Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

This article is has seen a couple of editors improve it. I feel it is within striking distance of FA-hood. Have at it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Riley
As always, some quick ones to start with:
 * In the first sentence, perhaps add a comma after "...in the honeyeater family" to make it more clear that Meliphagidae is the only honeyeater family.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Range map? Perhaps ask for one on the birds talk page.
 * I need to get to the library tomorrow to get the best map for this got map now just need not to be tired and added... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Perhaps link all of socially monogamous in one link?
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * In the sentence "Honeyeaters’ preferred woodland habitat is vulnerable to the effects of land clearing, grazing and weeds," the apostrophe needs to be straight.
 * I don't follow.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Instead of "’", it needs to be "'", per MOS:STRAIGHT. RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  23:43, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, something new I am still learning...done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:50, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Per MOS:ACRO, IUCN in the lead should be expanded, with the acronym in parenthesis after so you can use just the acronym in the body.
 * unabbreviated Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Perhaps move the sentence "The specific name chrysops is from the Greek words meaning "gold" and "face" in reference to the stripe of yellow feathers," in the taxonomy section to the end of the paragraph, and rephrase it a bit so it flows better.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Add to the sentence "It was classified in the genus Lichenostomus for many years until 2011," what genus it was moved to.
 * I moved the sentence further on so it can run into the discussion of what happened next Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * In the sentence "Three subspecies have been described (Matthews, 1912) but are not universally recognised," a comma is needed after the parenthesis.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * In the third paragraph of the taxonomy section, you need to put spaces between the genus and species abbreviated name.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * You should probably specify what you are talking about in the sentence "Surgeon-General to the First Fleet John White caught one in May 1788, calling it a yellow-faced flycatcher in his Journal of a Voyage to New South Wales, which was published in 1790." This is because you talked about the subspecies in the previous paragraph, so that might cause some confusion.
 * called it "the species" as calling it the "yellow-faced honeyeater" might sound repetitive given the next clause. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Ear coverts should be without a hyphen and linked (I recently created a redirect to ear coverts for my article).
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:31, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

That is all for today, more will come soon. Good luck! RileyBugz Yell at me &#124; Edits  01:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

More comments now, hopefully I can get this done with the next review:
 * Silvereye is overlinked.
 * removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Link and/or explain counter-singing.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Spotted Gum should be capitalized, you also need to be consistent in putting the binomial after the common name.
 * my personal feelings aside, the standard is to use lower case. binomial now placed after Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * In the sentence "It usually avoids woodland, unless it is near forest or has an understory of sclerophyll plants," I am not sure about the woodland thing, possibly say "It usually avoids low-density forests, unless it is near a higher density forest or the forest has an understory of sclerophyll plants." If you don't want to do that, then at least I'm pretty sure you would add the indefinite article "a" before "forest."
 * I don't follow on the "a" being necessary as am talking about a habitat type rather than a particular forest as such. I realise our woodland  article doesn't have Australian definitions in it, which might help (i.e. woodland is not considered forest). Added definition at here Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that the second comma in the sentence "The yellow-faced honeyeater ranges across a broad arc from near Cooktown in Far North Queensland, south west between a line from Charters Towers to Albury and the coast, and then west to the Fleurieu Peninsula and Mount Lofty Ranges in South Australia," is an Oxford comma and thus should be removed for consistency.
 * I thought I had a few Oxford commas in this already so would rather go all in than all out.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case, why don't you add an Oxford comma in the sentence "Honeyeaters’ preferred woodland habitat is vulnerable to the effects of land clearing, grazing and weeds," (MOS:STRAIGHT error still needs fixing)? RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  23:04, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Added now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:24, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I think that you would switch back to present tense (for the verb "to increase") in the sentence "During the winter months of June and July, numbers are generally decreased in Victoria and increased in Queensland, following northward migration."
 * They are present tense as they are passive verbs Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The usage of seasons with months after them seems fine, but it would be great if a more experienced editor could check this out (maybe we should have an RfC or something so this isn't a problem in future reviews and such).
 * ok, will see what others say Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Possibly reword the last part of the sentence "Experiments where the vertical component of the magnetic field was reversed indicate that the magnetic compass of the yellow-faced honeyeater is based on the inclination of the field lines and not on polarity, distinguishing between the direction of the equator and the poles, rather than north and south," to "meaning they distinguish between the direction of the equator and poles, rather than north and south," just to clear up any confusion.
 * done this one. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Good job! These articles are being cranked out really quickly! RileyBugz Yell at me &#124; Edits  00:31, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * several honeyeater articles were buffed to GA status by an editor now retired for some years. I figured it was worth updating/reviewing them and pushing a few of them over the FA-line.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Final comments:
 * Make it more clear what "when not migrating" applies to in the sentence "The yellow-faced honeyeater is usually seen singly, in pairs, or in small family groups, when not migrating." If it applies to everything, then remove the comma after "groups."
 * It does apply to all so done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:02, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Oxford comma needed in some sentences in the feeding section.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:49, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Same as above in breeding.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:49, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Poerhaps merge the sentences "The yellow-faced honeyeater breeds in monogamous pairs in a breeding season that extends from July to March. Migrating birds begin nesting later than sedentary birds," so it flows better.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:02, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * More Oxford commas are needed.
 * got some more ...bloody hell there are a few... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:02, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

And that is all, good luck! RileyBugz Yell at me &#124; Edits  23:04, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

2nd reading:
 * In the sentence "Honeyeaters’ preferred woodland habitat is vulnerable to the effects of land clearing, grazing, and weeds," the curly apostrophe needs to be a straight apostrophe per MOS:STRAIGHT.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:51, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'll just do it myself (or you can copy and paste: '). RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; Edits  19:56, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * In the sentence " A 2017 genetic study using both mitochondrial and nuclear DNA found the ancestor of the yellow-faced honeyeater diverged from the common ancestor of the other two Caligavis species around 7 million years ago," I'm pretty sure you would say "seven" instead of "7."
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:51, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

That seems to be all. RileyBugz Yell at me &#124; Edits  18:35, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support - Nice job on the article! All of my nitpicks were addressed. RileyBugz Yell at me  &#124; <sub style="color:#D7000B;">Edits  20:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Sabine's Sunbird
Support Nice. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  17:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * In distribution we have The yellow-faced honeyeater is widespread across eastern and south eastern Australia, in open sclerophyll forests from coastal dunes to high-altitude subalpine areas, and often in riparian woodlands. and then  It occurs in high-altitude, tall, open forests of alpine ash and woodlands dominated by snow gum  and then at the end is It usually avoids woodland, .
 * the key word there is "unless" after the comma after woodland... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:37, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * So in each situation where it's mentioned occuring in different kinds of forest, it's always qualified by that statement? It may be worth moving to the front then, perhaps, or perhaps Where it is found in woodland, it is usually woodland near forest or with an understory of sclerophyll plants. Not sure, it just comes over a little odd. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * sounds better Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:00, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * the last sentence of migration may read better as However, the yellow-faced honeyeater has been found to have a broad range of characteristics; an annual cycle of migratory restlessness; seasonally appropriate orientation based on magnetic, solar and polarised light cues; and a migration program based on the magnetic inclination compass, which are consistent with the adaptations of Northern Hemisphere migrants.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:37, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll look at it some more tomorrow. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  07:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from Aa77zz

 * "It was classified in the genus Lichenostomus for many years until 2011.[5]" This is a bit misleading and is not supported by the source. The use of Lichenostomus was a short lived fashion. Gould (1848) and Mathews (1911/1912) use Ptilotis. Peters 1967 uses Meliphaga. More recent usage is conveniently recorded by Avibase. Clements 3rd (1981) has Meliphaga, Clements 4th (1991) has Lichenostomus, Clements (2015) has Caligavis. Howard and Moore 2nd (1991) has Meliphaga, H&M 3rd (2003) has Lichenostomus, H&M 4th (2014) has Caligavis. (a new edition, a new genus). - Aa77zz (talk) 11:34, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * aah recentism, I forget this. Anyway, changed it a bit to reflect literature/source(s) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

More
 * Taxbox: Synonyms are when the specific epithet differs - thus Sylvia chrysops and Lichenostomus chrysops are not considered as synonyms.
 * Wow. wasn't aware of that. I suspect the example in the first para or the lead of Synonym (taxonomy)  needs removing then... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Gosh - that makes me have serious doubts! In our article on author citations there is an example using Anser albifrons (Scopoli, 1769) that states "the two different genus-species combinations are not regarded as synonyms." I'll try to find a RS. -Aa77zz (talk) 20:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The ICZN glossary has: "synonym, n. Each of two or more names of the same rank used to denote the same taxonomic taxon." which probably means I'm wrong. struck. -Aa77zz (talk) 21:38, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a long discussion on this subject on the Synonym (taxonomy) talk page here. -Aa77zz (talk) 21:54, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Taxonomy
 * "studies using the mitochondrial ND2 and nuclear β-fibrinogen-7 genes identified " Perhaps not necessary to specify the actual markers used in the study. (Very few of the readers will know or care what the ND2 gene is.)
 * removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "were sufficiently different to be a separate genus as Bolemoreus." -> were sufficiently different to be placed in a separate genus Bolemoreus.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * " but are not universally recognised." Not recognised by whom? IOC7.1, Clements-2016, H&M4 and HBWonline all list 3 ssp.
 * Higgins is dubious but that is spelt out further on, so removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "Latham called it the black-cheeked honeyeater." but his Supplementum Indicis... cited above has "Black-cheeked Warbler" - see here.
 * corrected Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Description
 * What colour are the breast and belly?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * What colour are the legs?
 * added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Breeding
 * "The nest is a fragile, transparent structure, cup-shaped," To me the word "transparent" suggests a material that one see through. One would not describe a chicken wire fence as transparent even though one can see through the holes.
 * tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "(Among the species that parasitize the nests..." why is this sentence in brackets?
 * no idea/before my time. removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

References
 * Ref 24 Munro 1999 - broken link. I can't find a replacement.
 * Weird...it's working for me Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Oops - I meant Ref 26 "Munro, Ursula (1999). "Adaptations to..." -Aa77zz (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sigh...can't find an alt link Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:07, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

All good. Supported above. -Aa77zz (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Afterthought: the short paragraph at the beginning of the Behaviour section should end with a cite. - Aa77zz (talk) 21:36, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Getting to it. See below Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments Support from Vanamonde
First off, a quick note that Cas and I are both Wikicup participants: I do not believe this will affect my review, but if somebody does, they should say so. Second, this is probably a silly question, but I feel compelled to ask it: there's something on the FAC page about one nomination at a time: but I see Corvus (constellation) listed there as well...
 * Well, I saw that too. The rule states "An editor is allowed to be the sole nominator of only one article at a time; however, two nominations may be allowed if the editor is a co-nominator on at least one of them." This exception does not seem to apply in this instance as both nominations are sole nominations. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:58, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * A fair question. I asked at User_talk:Sarastro1#Bird_production_line...  as Corvus has been waiting for a source  review (which can take some time) but otherwise looks near promotion. Editors here have done this from time to time. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see you obtained permission to have two nominations open at once. From the point of view of the WikiCup, perhaps you could refrain from doing so in the future, if you intend to submit the articles for WikiCup points, so as not to disadvantage other competitors. (I speak as someone who has been frustrated by this rule in previous WikiCups) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:17, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If you look at the history, you'll note that almost all the article improvement took place last year. Hence the Corvus article is ineligible for this years' wikicup anyway. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Taxonomy
 * "yellow-faced honeyeater as closely related" perhaps clearer as "most closely related..." as I'm guessing the study used all known species of honeyeater?
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "Surgeon-General to the First Fleet John White caught one in May 1788" I'd suggest linking or explaining "first fleet", and also substituting "a specimen" for "one"
 * done x 2 Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering if it would be useful to provide a phylogeny here, with a footnote saying that this was based on such and such a study.
 * I've mentioned the useful stuff in the text, so I think would be a bit redundant, and the article has quite a few image boxes as is anyway Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:05, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay.


 * Is the statement "not universally recognised" covered by the source at the end of the paragraph?
 * removed it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Description
 * "Juveniles are very similar to the adult" would flow better as both singular or plural.
 * aligned. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Could you break up the sentence about comparisons? The three semi-colons make it unwieldy.
 * You mean this? Agree and done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:18, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Since the article mentions a sexual dimorphism w.r.t. size, might it be useful to mention numbers for that?
 * the difference is very small, like 0.8 g in weight....actually I could add that I guess. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Perhaps this is just my inner pedant, but I find the phrase "One of the first birds heard in the morning," to be rather colloquial: I'm also wondering if there's a little more detail available here.
 * missed that one. ok changed now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "counter singing" should be linked or explained.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Distribution and habitat
 * As with folks above, I would find a range map quite helpful. This is especially true because the prose description of the range is tricky to understand even for somebody who has visited Australia.
 * yeah..ok. Need to get the best one. Might take a day or two added now.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm finding the habitat section a little difficult to follow at the moment, because it reads more like a list of vegetation in which the bird is found than anything else. I am wondering if it can be structured differently, sort of a more explicit "habitat - sub-types of habitat - most common vegetation type - other types". Does that make any sense?
 * yes - the idea is that the specific habitats are listed commonness to rareness. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:16, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "Near Hastings Point in New South Wales over 100,000 passed through in a single day." I'd suggest phrasing this as "Over 100,000 birds were recorded passing Hastings point in NSW over the course of a day in MM YYYY".
 * good idea/done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:22, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering if an image of Earth's magnetic field lines can be found for the migration section: the fact of migrating along field lines is a fascinating one, but most folks don't know the first thing about magnetism.
 * did you have a particular picture in mind as I am not sure which would be helpful... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Eh, I looked through the images, couldn't find one that would be worth adding...so never mind.


 * I am very confused by the last sentence of the section. How is it a rebuttal to the previous sentence? Would it not be more logical to collect the information about orientation based on solar light and polarization with the information about magnetic field lines further up?
 * many Australian species are nomadic, following food and water rather than any set migration as such (unlike many northern hemisphere species). However this one has some migratory characteristics. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:38, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I see; that's interesting! In that case, might I suggest rephrasing the following "consistent with the adaptations of Northern Hemisphere migrants" to "more often associated with Northern Hemisphere migrants." This avoids the (slight) implication that those characteristics are evolutionary adaptations to the northern hemisphere, which this bird shares (which I do not think you are trying to say?) Vanamonde (talk) 06:53, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good/changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Behavior
 * "While it is generally active, in the early morning" This phrase is a little confusing: I'd suggest starting "While it is generally active throughout the day, in the early morning ..." Although I'm not sure whether this is what is meant here. Also, the sentence has no reference.
 * changed to "an active bird" - will chase a ref. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:38, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Would it not be more accurate to say "adapted to a mixed diet"? Adaptation is to current circumstances, not future possibilities.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:38, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The sentence of 545 observations needs more context, I think. Of how many individuals? In what habitat? Also grammar seems uncertain, but we can fix that after.
 * read material and made more general Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The main paragraph about food habits is a little messily structured. I would suggest starting with all the information about broad food categories, and then moving to specific types of insects and nectar.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Also, the information about mixed flocks is perhaps more logically placed with the information about the bird being seen in pairs/small groups in the previous sub-section.
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "gleaning" should be linked or explained.
 * linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:31, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "good fat reserves." perhaps "healthy fat reserves" or even just "fat reserves"?
 * went with "healthy" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Image review

 * Wow, this was quickly attacked by reviewers, so here's an image review. All files are properly licensed and sourced, but I'm wondering if a range map could be added? Also, the link to Commons seems to be a redirect. FunkMonk (talk) 15:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from Jim
Hi Cas, you must be reeling from all the comments above. I've actually seen this species, so I'll be gentle with you. Just a few nitpicks <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  15:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * meh, that'll teach me to fix up an old GA and buff for FAC...I thought I'd fixed everything... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * hundreds of thousands of them migrate&mdash; don't need "of them"
 * trimmed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * are generally decreased in Victoria &mdash; "lower" rather than decreased?
 * done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:03, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Banded birds &mdash;is banded OK for OZ, sounds US to me?
 * HANZAB uses "banding". - Aa77zz (talk) 18:15, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * One of those places were Australia and NZ follow the US and not UK. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  18:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * strewth, yes! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:03, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I can sort of see why you spell out international units at first occurrence, not sure why they are not abbreviated thereafter
 * neither can I. changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:05, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No further questions, changed to support above <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  06:48, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments from HalfGig

 * the commons link at the bottom goes to a redirect that is one of the old genus names for this species. It should go directly to the current name, not a redirect.
 * moved Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:34, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * is there a reason FN 6 is in the middle of a sentence, not immediately after a punctuation mark, instead of at the end like the other FNs?
 * no. moved Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:34, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * writing is superb and already been addressed by several other reviewers
 * thx ++ Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:34, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Copyvio check Earwig's tool shows no issues; most sources are offline or require some sort of access
 * Source check Sources are of highest quality and have consistent formatting. I did notice all but one book is in sfn and that one is in cite web but probably because it is in ebook form, which is fine.
 * HalfGig  talk  11:50, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support Excellent article.   HalfGig   talk  14:26, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Closing comment: There is a clear consensus for promotion here, but it is worth checking consistency of pagination: sometimes we are using "133–37" and other times "233–244". But that isn't worth holding up promotion over. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Sarastro1 (talk) 23:46, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
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