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The article was promoted by Sarastro1 via FACBot (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2017.

Yugoslav torpedo boat T3

 * Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

This article is about a torpedo boat that was built for the Austro-Hungarian Navy in 1913–1914, and served under their flag in WWI. She was transferred to the new Yugoslav state after the war, and saw service with them until Yugoslavia entered WWII, when she was captured by the Italians. She was later captured from them by the Germans and saw service with them or the puppet Croatian state until she was sunk in February 1945. This article has been significantly expanded in the last couple of months. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:15, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Image is appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:17, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Nikkimaria! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:12, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support, with a prose suggestion:
 * "Originally built as 78 T, a 250t-class torpedo boat built for the Austro-Hungarian Navy in 1914" Perhaps "Originally built as 78 T, a 250t-class torpedo boat of the Austro-Hungarian navy, which was built in 1914." -- Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  14:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Done, with a slight modification. Thanks for taking a look. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:17, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Sabine's Sunbird's Support
Support. Brief but no real issues, I'm impressed we know so much about something so obscure. A few questions/quibbles
 * Isn't Croats better than Croatians? I understand Croatians is becoming accepted usage but Croat is better for the people (but not the language) - it is where our article is.
 * It depends on the context I think. Where they were nationals of the Independent State of Croatia, Croatians is probably more appropriate. Croats is better in other situations. I have changed one where Croats is better.


 * Why show weight in tons (convert tonnes) in background and tonnes (convert long tons) in Description and construction. Consistency would be good.
 * An oversight. Fixed.


 * Is the wreck divable? Is it a tourist dive? Is she a war grave? Sabine's Sunbird  talk  17:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't find any reference to those things, I imagine she was raised and broken up if she was in the port area, to ensure she wasn't a danger to shipping. Thanks for taking a look! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:19, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Parsecboy

 * There are a couple of dupe links. The second is from the German language template, which I think is redundant in that case, since we just said it was the German Navy.
 * Fixed.


 * One wonders why the article is under the Yugoslav name, but the majority of the article is about her service with the Austro-Hungarians. Granted, she carried the name T3 much longer than 78 T, but it seems like her service during WWI was more notable than during the interwar period and WWII.
 * Maybe, but she spent the vast majority of her career as T3 in Yugoslav, Italian and German/Croatian hands and was sunk under that designation, so I think it is ok to leave her as is.


 * Might want to make clear that Cattaro and Kotor are the same place.
 * Done.


 * Why are Novara and Saida described as different types of vessels? They were sister ships.
 * Might have been a confusion from the sources, fixed.


 * You might also give a bit of context for what the Austro-Hungarians were doing when Szent Istvan was sunk, similar to what you have in T1.
 * Added.


 * Why do some of the books include links to Google Books but others don't? Parsecboy (talk) 17:51, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Good question, a function of cutting and pasting references I think. There didn't seem to be any underlying reason, so I just removed them.
 * Thanks for taking a look! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:07, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Excellent work, happy to support now. Parsecboy (talk) 13:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, one other thing I thought of while reading T5 for the A-class review - is there any indication this vessel was one of the 14 250ts present in Cattaro during the Cattaro Mutiny? If not, no big deal, but it'd be an interesting bit of info if you can confirm. Parsecboy (talk) 15:01, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Bell and Elleman don't give designations, but they do say the torpedo boats weren't much involved in the mutiny. 80 T did have a mutiny in May 1918 though. I'll keep looking. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments by Sturmvogel_66

 * No DABs, external links OK
 * T3 was captured Since you used the new name to close out the first para of the lede; start the second one with "The ship" to avoid close repetition
 * Done.


 * T3 was captured by the Italians during the German-led Axis invasion of Yugoslavia in April 1941 and, after her main armament was modernised, she served with the Royal Italian Navy under her Yugoslav designation, although she was only used for coastal and second-line tasks. Kind of a complicated sentence, perhaps splitting it might be in order?
 * Split.


 * and after being fitted with additional anti-aircraft guns she served commas after "and" and "guns" as it's a subordinate clause.
 * Done.


 * I'd be inclined to compress the whole Background section down to a sentence or two as that amount of detail is better off in the class article, IMO.
 * Per T1, I'd prefer to keep it as is for context.


 * While the 250t-class T-group boats barely exceeded the specifications laid down for a coastal torpedo boat, they were classified as capable of operating on the open sea. The 250t-class, T-group Find another version of the name for the second usage.
 * Done.


 * 23 August 1914.[2] In 1914, Perhaps "Later that year, an 8mm MG..."
 * Done.


 * Due to inadequate funding, 78 T and the rest of the 250t class were essentially coastal vessels, despite the original intention that they would be used for "high seas" operations. Wouldn't this be better off in the description para?
 * Moved.


 * harbour defence barrage Link or explain this.
 * linked.


 * Tell the reader that the ships specifically mentioned in the Szent Istvan para are battleships.
 * Done.


 * Link boiler room, Bay of Kotor--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:39, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Done, Bay of Kotor was already linked as Cattaro.
 * True, but the Bay is its own article.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the link to Bocche di Cattaro (which is what it was called at the time), with (Bay of Kotor) following. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:11, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review Sturm. Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Source review

 * Earwig check at 6.5%
 * All sources reputable, highly reliable.
 * Source formatting consistent.
 * Good to go.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:45, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Sturm. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Sarastro1 (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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