Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Ireland women's cricket team record by opponent/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC).

Ireland women's cricket team record by opponent

 * Nominator(s): RoboCric Let's chat  13:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it meets all the criteria. I think it has enough content and an organized list to get the featured status. Thanks. RoboCric Let's chat  13:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Just a few prose suggestions from someone unfamiliar with the topic and FLCs generally
 * Unclear as to why the words "Full Member" are capitalised - when I follow that link the words are not capitalised.
 * Done.
 * "meaning the Irish women's team" -> "meaning cricket teams"? Given that you mention cricket in the general sense at the start of the sentence.
 * Done.
 * "being governed by the Cricket Ireland."
 * Done.
 * "They have the fifth most defeats for any team in this format." -> "They have the fifth most defeats of any team in this format."
 * Done.
 * "They have played the highest number of matches (25) against the Netherlands" -> "They have played their highest number of matches (25) against the Netherlands". This helps with clarity. I would also shift the bracketed number to the end of the sentence for better flow.
 * Done.
 * They also have been most successful against the same team, winning 23 WODI matches against them. -> The word also is adding nothing here imo, and then doesn't sound repetitive in the third sentence about the Netherland, though again, I would shift the bracketed number to the end of the sentence.
 * Done.
 * Ireland made their debut in Women's Test cricket on 30 July 2001 against Pakistan" -> "Ireland made their debut in Women's Test cricket on 30 July 2001, against Pakistan,". This helps to separate the introductory time element from the main clause.
 * Done.
 * "an innings" -> I presume the wording here is an inning?
 * Not done. Perhaps, you're not familiar with cricket. But it is usually said as "1st innings", "by an innings". The article Innings also uses "an innings" at the very beginning. For direct example, see Irish cricket team in Sri Lanka in 2022–23.
 * "Although the ICC awarded permanent Test status to all full member women's teams in April 2021, it was the only Women's Test match played by Ireland" -> This sentence is exceptionally clunky. First of all, "was" isn't true, as it remains the case. I would consider rewording to something like "In April 2021 the Ireland Women's Cricket Team was awarded permanent Test status, despite the match with Pakistan being Ireland's only Test match. This is because the ICC awarded permanent Test status to all full member women's teams." <- what I have written here is not perfect, and I wouldn't stand by it, but I do think what is in the article is in need of a change.
 * Done.
 * Which is more correct? "the shorter version of international cricket" or just "short form cricket"? I have no idea but the latter makes more sense to me and is the article title.
 * Done.
 * So far the article has been clear on whether it was Ireland of the Irish women's team. Is this Ireland's first debut in short form cricket or the Irish women's team's debut? Is it necessary to specify at home?
 * Done. Added "women's team" and removed "at home".
 * "They have been the second most unsuccessful team in the format, both in terms of matches won as well as winning percentage, among the full member teams." -> "The have been the second most unsuccessful team in the format among the full member teams, both in terms of matches won as well as winning percentage."
 * Done.
 * "They have recorded the highest number of wins (13) against the Netherlands in the format." - This sentence is strange to me because you don't specify format in the previous sentence. I think the two sentences could be reworked.
 * Done.
 * "Among the full member countries, they have defeated Zimbabwe most often (6)" -> Lack of units, 6 what? (times).
 * Done.
 * "Ireland women Test cricket record by opponent" + "Ireland women One Day International record by opponent" + "Ireland women Twenty20 International record by opponent" -> women's?
 * Done.
 * Should this list feature the Irish cricket flag?
 * No, I don't think it should not feature any flag, as other similar featured lists don't contain- New Zealand women's national cricket team record by opponent.
 * Xx78900 (talk) 21:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Xx78900, I have fixed the necessary issues you mentioned. Please check it and reply here to state whether you support the nomination or not. Thank you for your feedback. RoboCric Let's chat  22:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, sorry for the long delay in response - I'm unfamiliar with the Featured List criteria so wouldn't feel comfortable adding a support vote, sorry, but I will express satisfaction that you have addressed all of the issues I found in the prose. Xx78900 (talk) 17:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

 * There's a fairly evident copy & paste error where it says "Year of the first match between New Zealand and the listed opponent" ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @ChrisTheDude I am sorry for the error and I have corrected it. Please check it now. RoboCric Let's chat  01:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Further comments

 * "They are full member" => "The team is a full member"
 * "They participated in Women's Cricket World Cup" => "They participated in the Women's Cricket World Cup"
 * "resulting 49 victories" => "resulting in 49 victories"
 * "They have played the most number of matches (25)" => "They have played the highest number of matches (25)"
 * "against the Netherlands in Women's Cricket World Cup" => "against the Netherlands in the Women's Cricket World Cup"
 * "Although in April 2021, the ICC awarded permanent Test status to all full member women's teams"> "Although the ICC awarded permanent Test status to all full member women's teams in April 2021"
 * "when they played against the West Indies in a one-off WT20I at home" - you need to write W20TI in full the first time it's used, the same way you did with WODI
 * "Ireland have met with Pakistan for the most number of occasions"> "Ireland have met with Pakistan on the highest number of occasions"
 * "they have defeated Zimbabwe for the most number of times (6)"> "they have defeated Zimbabwe most often (6)" (this avoids using "highest number" again.....
 * "against whom Ireland have suffered the most number of defeats" => "against whom Ireland have suffered the most defeats"
 * " losing all of their 17 matches they played" => " losing all of the 17 matches they played"
 * How come there's nothing in the "first" and "last" columns of the WODI table for Netherlands and New Zealand?
 * That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @ChrisTheDude Done. Fixed all. Thanks. RoboCric Let's chat  10:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support -- Cric editor (talk) 03:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support -- Fade258 (talk) 03:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Comments from AA
Just a few suggestions:
 * Maybe capitalise "full member" → "Full Member" this is often done, but it's neither here nor there, up to you!
 * There was a bit when I looked late last night which mentioned "international arena" and I was going to suggest changing that to "international cricket", but it seems to have been removed from the prose.
 * Ref #1, this needs the publication date added.
 * Ref #4, is this available on Trove (or elsewhere)? If so, could it be linked into the article? If on Trove, an issue and page number(s) would be a nice addition to the reference.
 * This reference also needs Template:Cite news to be used.
 * Ref #8 needs to have the author to be attributed and the publication date added.
 * Ref #14 links here. Can the original article be linked, or has it been deleted?
 * Ref #15, same as above.
 * Any CricketArchive references need "|url-access=subscription" adding to them.
 * Some references have unused parameters, these can be deleted.

I think that's all I can see so far! (talk) 11:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @AssociateAffiliate Hi. The nominator is me, not Cric editor (the user whom you pinged). Thanks. RoboCric Let's chat  11:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Haha I noticed that about 5 minutes later, my bad :D AA (talk) 12:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @AssociateAffiliate I have fixed all of the issues you mentioned. About Ref#4, I couldn't link into a Trove article. So, I replaced that ref with a better online article instead, where the readers can anyway know about Ireland's CWC debut. Thank you for your feedback. RoboCric Let's chat  13:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. AA (talk) 18:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. AA (talk) 18:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Comment on sources: Penbugs appears to be a blog with no indication of editorial oversight; can you give your reasoning for why it counts as an RS? -- Pres N  02:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @PresN, Hi. Thanks for your comment. To avoid any risks, I replaced that with a better source which obviously count as RS. You may check it now. Best. RoboCric Let's chat  03:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that sort it out. Source review passed; promoting. -- Pres N  16:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


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