Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of FC Barcelona players/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Mm40 12:57, 8 March 2010.

List of FC Barcelona players

 * Nominator(s): Sandman888 (talk) 15:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list: it was already a decent list, and borrowing from List of Arsenal players I've applied that layout to the Barcelona article. As of now, I don't see any substantial differences between the two, and it meets the FL criteria. Cheers! Sandman888 (talk) 15:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment Chris! c / t 23:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC) — Chris! c / t 03:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The lead is too short
 * Longer
 * Sorting for name column doesn't work properly; you will need to use sortname
 * Done
 * Country names should accompany the flags; not everyone recognize them
 * Done
 * Please link all the positions
 * Done
 * Boldface should not be used as an indicator per WP:BOLDFACE
 * Disagree. That seems to be adressed at text, not lists. I don't see why italics wd be better.
 * Well, this still needs to be done to satisfy the WP:MOS, which applies to all articles. If you dislike italics, you can use other indicators, such as symbols.—
 * Done, italics it is.
 * Empty cells need emdashes
 * emdashes really needed? It doesn't look better that way.
 * This list is poorly referenced. The notes are not sourced
 * More notes

Comment - I'll see what the rest of the community come up with before I re-review the whole list. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Further comments
 * There are wikilinks to Cesar Rodriguez and Luis Suarez, which are disambiguation pages, these need to be fixed to point to the correct article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Done
 * No need to Wikilink the players' names again in the notes. Also, some of the notes use the player's full name but some just their surname, please be consistent and either use full names for all of them or just surnames for all of them
 * Surnames done.
 * I see no harm in incl. wikilinks once more, you might look up the Puyol note and then want to go to his mainpage after checking out the note.
 * Note 18 needs the author, publisher, and page number adding -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Done - Author, publisher incl. I thought the DOI-bot cd do this stuff, but no.

Drive by comment - Like the Rambling man, I'll see how other reviewers receive this list before deciding whether to do a full review. This FLC may give you a few other ideas for improvement. The two things that struck me straight away were duplicate references (for instance the "Individual records" and "Mythical Players - Joan Gamper"), and I can't see what is referencing non legendary, non-current players. WFCforLife (talk) 03:40, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * References done

Oppose as innacurate. The referencing for these players and the statistics do not tally at all. I did a sample of three players who fall into the bracket of non legendary and non current:
 * Abelardo Fernández- On this list he is marked as having played from 1994 until 2002, with 256 appearances and 17 goals. The reference says that he only played until 1999, made 196 appearances and scored 15 goals.


 * Jon Andoni Goikoetxea- It took a little while to find him. Once I did, it was very much opposite problems to those I found with Fernández. On this list he played from 1988 until 1994, making 173 appearances and scoring 10 goals. In the source his career only started in 1990, yet he played 237 games and scored 15 goals. Quite an achievement in four seasons.


 * Eulogio Martínez- Wikipedia: 162 apps, 111 goals. The source: 254 apps, 174 goals. While trying to find out whether this guy was a legend, I stumbled across evidence that this does not tally with the legends reference either.


 * Luis Enrique- Here: 300 apps, 109 goals. Legends site: 354 games 123 goals.

Given the scale of the discrepancies, there is no way that I can trust this information. And given that some stats are higher and others lower than the sources, I can't put it down to differing information, such as a source only recording league appearances. I checked a total of five players, so I suspect that these issues are the tip of the iceburg. WFCforLife (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. List does no longer incl. non-current, non-legends as no reliable information can be found.
 * Hang on, you're now saying that the list includes all'' current players plus "official legends"? Apart from the fact that that's not how any other featured "list of XXXXX F.C. players" works, it doesn't even seem to be correct - where are Chygrynskiy, Maxwell and Milito.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell there's no official policy on how these lists works, and traditions does not make for the best list. The list is made to suit the quality of available sources. I didn't include the rest of the squad until I had some feedback on whether to operate on such a point as wasted time is time wasted. Sandman888 (talk) 09:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Oppose on scope and sourcing.
 * The name "List of FC Barcelona players" implies a list of all Barcelona players, though longstanding convention permits a cutoff point at a manageable size, often those players with at least 100 first-team appearances. "Official legends" would be a perfectly acceptable scope for a featured list, but such a list should be named to reflect that scope: something like "List of FC Barcelona Official Legends". The lead section needs to clearly define the scope and inclusion criteria of the list, and then the list needs to stick to that definition. What we can't do, is construct a list whose scope depends on what sources are readily available on the internet.
 * On sourcing, as User:WFCforLife has suggested above, very many of the player stats are not supported by the cited sources. The key states that the stats are for all competitions; as far as I can tell, BDfutbol's stats are for league competition only.
 * Might I respectfully suggest you withdraw the nomination, then decide on an explicit scope for a list, create and source it exactly according to that scope, with no omissions and no extras, and then perhaps ask for a peer review before you re-submit. There's no hurry... In terms of layout, this list is fine, the only thing I might do differently is have a references column rather than having the reference in with the player's name. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Nvm. I hereby withdraw the nomination Sandman888 (talk) 11:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Withdrawal Per Sandman888's request, I'm archiving this nomination. Mm40 (talk) 12:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
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