Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of FIFA World Cup winning managers/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was unsuccessful by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC).

List of FIFA World Cup winning managers

 * Nominator(s): Emyil (talk) 15:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because meets the criteria like other similar featured lists. Emyil (talk) 15:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The lede could use expanding, if possible. ~ HAL  333  22:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * As the article has since been improved, I Support ~ HAL  333  01:51, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I made some fixes to your recent additions and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know if this article meets the criteria for a featured list, but it is essentially a modified repetition of the "By manager" section of "List of FIFA World Cup winners", and can very easily be merged into it. Either that, or that section should be removed from the other article and its title should be changed from "winners" to "winning players". --Theurgist (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Comment That's it for a quick pass. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!&#33;!&#33;) 09:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I see 's comment above, I'm relatively content that this meets 3b as List of FIFA World Cup winners is a terrible lengthy article.  It would be well served to add to that article a main template pointing at this list.
 * Shouldn't the title of this list contain a hyphen, i.e. "Cup-winning"?
 * I think, tipping a further nod to Theurgist's concerns, as there are few entries, you could expand the discussion over each manager, perhaps going through each one chronologically to enhance the value of this article.
 * "is the most prestigious" maybe "is considered" because Wikipedia shouldn't be making such claims.
 * Plenty of duplicated links in the lead, only link each tournament once, and on the first instance.
 * " prior professional football career. " as a player, manager or either?
 * I think the winning manager should be the second column, not the winning manager's nationality.
 * You have Sepp Herberger as being West German, but he was born in the German Empire...
 * Likewise Helmut Schön.
 * And Beckenbauer was born in Allied-occupied Germany!
 * Interesting to note (West German thoughts above aside), each winning manager was from the same country he led to victory, i.e. no "foreign" manager has ever  won the World Cup.
 * Spaced hyphens in the refs should be en-dashes per MOS.
 * Ref 34, year range should use en-dash.
 * Refs 13, 14, those are "works" not publishers, and the "The" should be inside the links.
 * Compare ref 6 and 9, RSSSF in italics or not? I'd say no.


 * Personally I would be content with removing the managers (and the Teams section) from List of FIFA World Cup winners so as to make it a list of winning players only. I'm pinging that list's original contributor User:Løken, with whom I had something of a content dispute a couple of years ago.
 * And regarding the nationalities, don't we use the individuals' contemporary countries as of the time of the events? Joachim Löw is not West German now, nor are teams still being managed by Soviet and Yugoslav coaches. --Theurgist (talk) 15:22, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Quick comments –
 * "He managed the Uruguay national team in the 1950 to victory." This would read much better as "He managed the Uruguay national team to victory in 1950."
 * Minor point, but I've always found the section name List to be plain and generic, as we already knew the page in question was a list from the title. How about using Managers instead? Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Source review
Doing now. Aza24 (talk) 01:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Can I get something for ref 1, issn, link, doi? (page number?)
 * Ref 2 needs ISBN 13 rather than 10 (use the converter)
 * Ref 3 missing publishing year/date (go to "cite" on the page and it should be there)
 * Link for ref 5 is broken
 * Ref 9 could maybe use the "last updated" date at the bottom of the page? Not sure about this one.
 * Everything else looks good, fix these and easy pass Aza24 (talk) 01:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

are you intending to return to this? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!&#33;!&#33;) 14:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Oppose from Harrias
Seeing that the nominator had not edited for some time, I thought I would see if I could help push this over the line. But looking through some of 's points above, and trying to rationalise them with the article, I came to realise that a lot of the content is completely unreferenced. There is no general reference, so one would expect the references provided in each row to source that entire row. They do not: the Suppici reference does not discuss his nationality; Juan López Fontana is barely even mentioned in his one. I can't see what is supporting "Juan López Fontana was the first manager to manage a national team to World Cup victory without having had a prior professional football career. He managed the Uruguay national team in the 1950 to victory; Vicente Feola and Carlos Alberto Parreira, who both managed Brazil also achieved this feat." at all. The table is missing a table caption. I concur with reviewers above that there could be more discussion of the manager to help justify this as a standalone list. There is no doubt that with some work, this could make Featured status, but without an active nominator, this is best failing the FL process right now, and coming back when overhauled. Harrias talk 08:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!&#33;!&#33;) 09:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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