Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of New York Cosmos all-stars/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:42, 28 February 2011.

List of New York Cosmos all-stars

 * Nominator(s): – Cliftonian the orangey bit 02:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria, clear and simple. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 02:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comments - I'd recommend filling the blank cells with ndashes. Also whats sourcing the table I notice some inconsistencies with the information present for Randy Horton and Ref 5. Afro  ( Talk ) 12:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ref 5 is only there to show he was MVP. The stats for Horton on that page are only for one season, and that is why they don't match up. The stats come from Jose (2003). – Cliftonian the orangey bit 14:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * NASL all-star years should be changed to NASL all-star appearances. The Abbreviations in the key aren't needed as you explain NASL in the lead, also you don't need MVP as its probably better to abbreviate this in the lead when mentioned. Afro  ( Talk ) 12:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 13:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd like to make the suggestion you use the country name for the Nationality rather than the name for the ethnic group. Afro  ( Talk ) 17:42, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * We already had this below. I really don't see what having the name of the country rather than the denonym adds; it is perfectly possible to access the country by clicking the flag if you don't know that "West German" means, for example. On the other hand, having "English" rather than "England" just looks more tidy to me. I'd agree if we were going to link to national teams (Have "United States" link to the US national team and so forth). I don't see how this is ethnic groups though; it is nationalities, surely? I'll use myself as an example: By citizenship, I am defined as "British", but I do not take this as any ethnic indicator. By the same token, I don't quite see how Werner Roth (for example) being described as "American" disqualifies him from being of a Yugoslavian background. This is all just my opinion, of course. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 19:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * -cough-Ethnic group-cough- Anyway I think MOS:FLAG applies specifically "Accompany flags with country names", though lower on the MOS it does state "Where flags are used in a table, it should clearly indicate that the flags represent representative nationality, not legal nationality, if any confusion might arise." although I'm not entirely sure the latter applies. Afro  ( Talk ) 20:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's made clear in the text what the flags and nations given refer to, I don't see how any confusion can arise from the status quo. On the subject of "ethnic group", read Google's definitions back to yourself. From those definitions, you could define Britishers, Australians, Rhodesians, New Zealanders, white South Africans, Canadians and even Americans as the same. I don't think it means the same thing as "nationality", and the link you've given actually strengthens my point. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 21:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no interest in getting in a what defines an ethnic group debate when it has nothing to do with the nomination. I don't see how it strengthens your point "The name of a flag's country (or province, etc.) should appear adjacent to the first use of the flag icon, as not all readers are familiar with all flags" is there a country on Earth called English or Bermudan? Afro  ( Talk ) 21:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, what difference does it really make? Okay then. I've changed it now. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 21:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support - I have no problems with the list and it appears to meet current FL standards. Afro  ( Talk ) 04:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

*Comments I would rewrite the nationalities to, simply, the name of the country in the "Nationality" column and rewrite the column header to "Country", as it can confuse the reader, like me, if you mean with it, that the players played for that football club (players with mulit-nationalities for example), or something else. I looked at other FL at the Football WikiProject; an I found for example this list.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't completely understand you. I've always given "English" rather than "England" (for example) for my Featured lists (see here and here). Players with multiple nationalities are pointed out in the text above the table (Stritzl, Roth and Kerr). I don't see how this is confusing. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 14:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, but you may link the nationalities to the countries like in the lists above.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 15:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You can already get to each country's page by clicking on the flags. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 16:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh... forget about my comment.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. :) – Cliftonian the orangey bit 17:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I could be looking at this completely wrong, but isn't this actually a List of New York Cosmos NASL all-star players? I went to this page expecting to see a list of players, and when presented with such a short list assumed they'd only played one season.  Harrias  talk 10:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair point. Added hatnote to make it more clear. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 19:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Comments –
 * "The side's commercial and on-field success declined during the early 1980s, along with the NASL itself, and entered competitive inactivity in 1985". For this to work grammatically, "it" or "they" must be placed before "entered". Right now, the inactivity reads like it's about the club's success, not the club itself.
 * "Examples of these are the former Brazilian international players Pele and Carlos Alberto, erstwhile West Germany captain Franz Beckenbauer; there were many others." The part before the semi-colon seems to abruptly cut out. Try adding "and" before "erstwhile".
 * "or the his birthplace if he is uncapped." Remove "his" or "the".  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 22:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, all done. Cheers Giants – Cliftonian the orangey bit 01:48, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support – Meets FL standards.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 00:22, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Glad to see that the name issue has been resolved. A minor point about a list that looks in pretty good shape: Otherwise I'm reasonably happy with the list.  Harrias  talk 13:15, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comments from  Harrias  talk
 * I'm confused about how NASL all-star appearances sorts. In one direction, it sorts by the year: Stritzl (1971) followed by Horton (1971, 1972) followed by Kerr (1972). I'm happy with this, but in the other direction it seems to sort by the number of appearances, rather than the year. Ie, Bogićević, Chinaglia (6) then Beckenbauer (5), etc. I would expect it to sort by the same criteria in both directions, and simply reverse the list.
 * Okay, now goes by number of appearances in both directions. – Cliftonian the orangey bit 23:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, great work.  Harrias  talk 16:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


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