Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Real Madrid C.F. players/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 20:33, 21 September 2009.

List of Real Madrid C.F. players

 * Nominator(s): Hadrianos1990  16:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because i think it's a good list Hadrianos1990  16:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose from Killervogel5

Being "a good list" and of featured quality ("our best work") are two very different things. This has a lot of MOS violations (bold, images, etc.), has no inline citations and only one general ref, which doesn't even look to verify the table, and almost no content in the lead. Consider withdrawing and re-working the list. See the featured list criteria, other similar featured lists, and recently promoted FLs for examples. KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 16:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose from me (can probably speedy close)
 * I suggest a peer review and ask editors from WP:FOOTY to get involved. This list has major flaws
 * The lead is far too small.
 * MOS issues (bolding that is unneccessary)
 * Limited references, you have only one reference which is an external link, you need more authoritative sources
 * Table is not sortable
 * Gaps in the positions field
 * A lot of redlinks, for me, at least 80% of the subject (ie the players in this case) should have an article.
 * Arbitrary criteria. How has Alonso made a significant contribution to the club? There is no point in having criteria if you then have random players in this list. José Luis Borbolla has played two games for example.
 * The captains table can be integrated into the table


 * All in all, a good start but a long way to go. Woody (talk) 17:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

OK If this is not good enough, see List of Manchester United F.C. players which is very similar. Only difference is that is a featured list. Can you explain? Hadrianos1990 04:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:WAX. Just because an article might have reached FL in the past which doesn't meet the current guidelines doesn't give a free pass to other articles that don't meet them -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Right I've had a go at trying to salvage this FLC, it's a long shot but worth a go, I think it's in a better state now then before, so I would invite reviewers to comment again and new ones to comment also, cheers. NapHit (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose – This is an admirable attempt to salvage an FLC that got off to a bad start. That said, there are still issues that remain, some of which are major.
 * Who is behind the leyendablanca and madridista.hu websites? Considering that these are two of the three main sources, we need to ensure that they're reliable.
 * leyendablanca : a quote from the site: « REFERENCES: Data from periodicals: Madrid Sport, ABC, La Vanguardia, Marca, AS and bibliography books about Real Madrid.». And also madridista.hu based on that and I will try to verify more.--KSAconnect 23:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The lead states that the list includes all players who have taken part in 100 matches. Why are there 18 players (my count) with fewer than 100 matches on the list? The selection criteria is much improved from what it was at the start of the FLC, but having these players blurs it somewhat.
 * In the first sentence, don't use "who" to refer to a sports team. Try "that" or "which".
 * Just a note that British English tends to use "who" for organizations, so the original example would be acceptable if the article follows BritEng. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Commas before and after "including Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao".
 * The second and third sentences in the lead could use references.
 * Another comma after first use of Raul in the second paragraph.
 * Try not to start a sentence with a number such as 224.
 * Punctuation in third paragraph: Comma should be added after "were scored in league competition" and semi-colon should be placed after "Ferenc Puskas holds the record for the most goals in a season".
 * En dash needed for 1959-60 (there's one already in the piped link).
 * Two players aren't sorting properly. Both are named Angel with diacritics, which throw off the sorting function for some reason. The easiest fix I've found is to take off the diacritic in the sortname function, leaving it visible for readers.
 * Consider em dashes for blank cells in the Captaincy column.
 * The Real Madrid category could be removed, since a sub-category is also present.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 20:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think all done.--KSAconnect 23:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments from
 * Why does ref C not have a reference?
 * Done Hadrianos1990  08:35, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * If you're going to list Angel de los Santos Cano with his full name (who should have a diacritic on the "A"), why is he listed in the As?
 * Done Hadrianos1990  08:35, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources
 * Foreign-language refs need to be denoted as such—use  in the ref templates.
 * Done Hadrianos1990  08:35, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


 * What makes http://leyendablanca.galeon.com/Base.htm a reliable source?
 * Likewise http://www.madridista.hu/web/index.php?menu=57? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * leyendablanca : a quote from the site: « REFERENCES: Data from periodicals: Madrid Sport, ABC, La Vanguardia, Marca, AS and bibliography books about Real Madrid.». And also madridista.hu based on that. Hadrianos1990  08:35, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
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