Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Spanish football champions/archive1


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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:18, 12 September 2009.

List of Spanish football champions

 * Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the criteria necessary to become a featured list. Thanks NapHit (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Quick comment Fix the external links(2 dead, one redirect) and add the alt text for the main image.-- Cheetah  (talk)  21:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done all requests NapHit (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose
 * I think you need to mention first that the league was established in 1929 before talking about Copa del Rey.
 * If you could substitute the book with an ebook or a website, that would be great!
 * "It is contested..." - What do you mean by "it"? It's easy to assume you mean Copa del Rey.
 * "...clubs winning..." - avoid noun + -ing
 * I didn't find in the ref #4 any info about Barcelona's treble, more specifically, any info on Barca's Champion's league title.
 * La Liga was established in 1929, yet the first season mentions 1928...why?
 * Just to be safe, avoid redirects in the "seasons" column
 * Add the current ref#2 next to the "Champions" header.
 * All of the refs from RSSSF are outdated
 * Where did you get the info on runner-ups and Third place teams from? I don't see them listed in any of the refs
 * I can see up to 2000, how about more recent runner ups?-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Barcelona or FC Barcelona? Be consistent
 * FC Barcelona should be sorted as "B", not as "F"
 * "None" should not be sorted as "N" as if it's a club.
 * When I sort the "goals" column, it gives me 4 different ways, needs to be just 2 ways
 * What club the top scorers were representing in those years?
 * The heading should be more specific.-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Rob Hughes' article is published in the New York Times, not in International Herald Tribune, as this page states.
 * I much rather see this link.-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Done all requests I think, apart from the book one which I think doesn't need to be done a book is a more reliable source than the web. NapHit (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

-- Cheetah  (talk)  04:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In the lead, you have "FC Barcelona", that is linked twice.
 * "FC Barcelona is only Spanish team "→ "Barcelona is the only Spanish team"
 * Update the retrieval date for the "Spain - List of topscorers" reference.
 * The reference you're using to cite the runner-ups and teams in the third place is showing only teams up to the 1999-2000 season. A new reference is needed that shows who the runner-ups for the 2000-present are.
 * Got the reference now NapHit (talk) 15:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support-- Cheetah  (talk)  19:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Conditional support – I still believe the lead to be a bit short, but won't hold up my support over it. KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 13:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * "Top scorers clubs" is missing an apostrophe
 * If the winners of the Copa Del Rey were regarded as the champions of Spanish football prior to 1929, as you assert, why are they not included on a list of the champions of Spanish football?
 * No need for capital A on "As of 2009" in the lead#
 * "FC Barcelona is only Spanish team whom have won The Treble" should be "FC Barcelona is the only Spanish team to have won The Treble"
 * If you are going to separate out the book into a bibliography, then it should come before the refs, as currently you have "Cresswell p489" as a ref but at this point the reader has no idea what "Cresswell" is........
 * Hope this helps -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Done all requests, and turns out Copa del Rey was not properly regarded as national championship so not going to include them. NapHit (talk) 22:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments –
 * No need for two Copa del Rey links in the lead.
 * In the table, Cesar Rodriguez Alvarez is sorting as the final player, below the Zs. Is this the intention?
 * No it's because of the A having the mark above it confuses the sortname template, there is a way to fix it but i can't figure it out NapHit (talk) 22:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's sorting properly now.-- Cheetah  (talk)  03:43, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No italics for publisher in reference 5, since UEFA is not a printed publication (assuming this doesn't come from a publication of theirs).  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 20:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Done all requests NapHit (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support – Good list overall.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 23:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Done all requests and left a few comments. NapHit (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support with one minor quibble - I would move the bit about three clubs never having been relegated to after the sentence that introduces the concept of relegation....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Possible discrepancies, according to the source...
 * Unamono scored 20 goals in 1939/40.
 * 1943/44 top scorer was Edmundo Suárez with 27 goals.
 * Telmo Zarra scored 19 goals in 1944/45.
 * Hans Krankl scored 26 goals in 1978/79.
 * Ronaldo scored 25 goals in 2003/04.
 * The only of these that was right is Edmundo Suarez, and Zarra, the rest are not correct and the info currently in the table is fine, out of interest where did you get your information. NapHit (talk) 16:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I used the goalscorer source on the page, as the list differs from the source you'll need to add additional sources for Unamono, Krankl and Ronaldo. --Jpeeling (talk) 17:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Not sure about the second section, it's titled Total titles won but has runners-up/third place details which doesn't seem quite right. Also there's teams who've come second and third who aren't listed because they never won the title, could the title be changed to Results by team, like some other football FLs, and the teams who've finished only second/third be included? --Jpeeling (talk) 22:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I hink it's fine the way it is personally, and should not include teams who have not won the league so it is the same as other league champion lists. NapHit (talk) 16:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Scotland does include those that only finished runners-up. To have a table that includes second and third for some teams but not others doesn't seem right to me. --Jpeeling (talk) 17:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments from --  SRE.K.A.L. 24 [c] --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  22:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The article looks like an article about Spanish football playoff seasons, instead of champions, since it is also showing the third place winners, and the top scorer, both of which does not relate to the Spanish football champions. I think you should use the format in List of Super Bowl champions.
 * That format would not be appropriate, as the championship is not contested via play-offs. The champions are the team that finished top of the division at the end of the season, simple as that -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Then shouldn't the article be called List of La Liga seasons? Since right now, that title fits perfectly with the article. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  08:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The Spanish football champions are the winners of the primary football competition in Spain, La Liga." So can only La Liga teams play for the championship?
 * It's not a case of "teams who can play for the championship", the team that finishes top of La Liga at the end of the season wins the championship..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So why is this called the "Spanish football champions"? Why not "La Liga champions"?
 * Dunno, just to match equivalent articles on England, Scotland, etc, I guess...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the "Total titles won by town or city" section is redundant, as you can just put the cities into the "Total titles won" section.
 * Overall, the article is pretty confusing for people who don't know how soccer playoffs work.
 * Simply put, there are no play-offs in soccer....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That should be clarified in the article IMO, since I never knew that. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  08:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  So, all articles on championships in sports which don't use a play-off system (ie pretty much all of them outside the USA) need to specifically state "the championship is not decided by play-offs" in case Americans assume it is? Seems a bit unnecessary........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 
 * Sorry, that was a bit snippy. Bad morning..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Laugh out loud. It's 2:00am here, which is even worst. I do get what you're saying, but really was confused at first. And considering the fact that around 50% of Wikipedia users are American, at least one sentence would be nice, like for example "The winner is determined by seasonal play", or something similar. --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  08:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Have added a sentence to this effect -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate it! --  SRE.K.A.L. &#124; L.A.K.ERS ]]  08:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
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