Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Turkish football champions/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:32, 15 June 2018 (UTC).

List of Turkish football champions

 * Nominator(s): Akocsg (talk) 17:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

This valuable list contains information about the Turkish football championships which are not covered appropriately the way they should and provides useful information and data, especially about the former championships (before 1957). What makes this list article especially interesting and engaging is the fact that the Turkish Football Federation negates and ignores the era before 1957, even though both former championships were the official competitions of the very same federation!

Given their unique situation and the general quality of the article, I think that this article deserves to be a Featured List. I have tried my best to meet all the criteria and I believe that the article is in an appropriate state. It is a personal concern for me that this list gains FL status, and I will genuinely try my best to improve it even further if necessary. I offer my thanks to all who have the time to comment on the list, and I promise that I'll get to each comment as soon as I can. Kind regards, Akocsg (talk) 17:03, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Query - what is sourcing the top goalscorers? I can't see any references either against individual rows or against the column headings as you have done with the champions............ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:47, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Done. Good point, I totally forgot about them. Thank you for reminding, they are in the article now. I didn't really understand what you mean by the individual rows and column headings though. Could you specify? If you mean the championship titles, there are sources such as RSSSF and the Turkish FA's own magazine (TamSaha), for instance. Akocsg (talk) 19:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * All I meant was that the goalscorers could have been sourced either individually against each row or (if there was one source that listed them all) against the column header (as you did with the champions). When I commented, neither was present.  Now you have put a source against the column header so all is good......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:42, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Oh, now I see. Thanks. Akocsg (talk) 18:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Support - issues addressed, no further concerns. Kosack (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Support Very good and informative article. I didn't notice anything else apart from the points addressed above. Baki.d (talk) 10:42, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Support – With all of my comments (and those below) resolved, I think this meets FL standards now. Nice work. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Apologies for not checking back. Here's some other comments from me:
 * "After some time, many other regional and local leagues followed in other major cities, such as Ankara (1923), Eskişehir (1920), or İzmir (1923), to name a few." => "Other regional and local leagues followed in other major cities, including Ankara (1923), Eskişehir (1920), and İzmir (1923)."
 * "At the end of the 1924 season, Harp Okulu were the first club to be crowned champions after completing their fixtures unbeaten.[2] They are also the only club who have ever changed their name after winning a championship title having been known as Harbiye for the first of their three titles" => "At the end of the 1924 season, Harbiye were the first club to be crowned champions after completing their fixtures unbeaten.[2] They are also the only club who have ever changed their name after winning a championship title, changing their name to Harp Okulu after the first of their three titles"
 * "the three lowest-placed teams are relegated to the 1. Lig and replaced by the top three teams in that division" - not relevant to a list of champions and definitely doesn't belong in the lead
 * "No clubs were promoted or relegated during the first season" - not relevant
 * "Before the creation of a second tier league, the bottom three clubs competed with regional league winners in a competition called the Baraj Games. The top three teams of the seven team group were promoted to the Millî Lig." - not relevant
 * "(not counted and denied by TFF)" => "(not recognised by TFF)"
 * Where there really two national championships in the same year in the 1940s? With (some of) the same teams competing in both?
 * You have a section heading of "Super League", but everywhere else it is referred to by its Turkish name of Süper Lig - I see no reason why this name should not be used in the section heading too.
 * "In the table below all national championship titles since 1924 are included, comprising the Turkish Football Championship and National Division" => "In the table below all national championship titles since 1924 are included, including the Turkish Football Championship and National Division"
 * "which are denied and not counted by the Turkish Football Federation, even though they were official championships by the TFF itself." => "which are not recognised by the Turkish Football Federation, even though they were official championships organised by the TFF itself."
 * Think that is all I have.......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * All done. About both competitions existing at the same time in the 1940s, yes it is true. You can look up those seasons. The difference was the competition system and the qualification criteria: the National Division was based on a classical league system (double round robin), with the top placed clubs of the three major regional leagues (Istanbul, Izmir, and Ankara; only them) as participants. The Turkish Championship was initially contested by all regional league champions (and them only). After 1941, it was played in a Final Group, consisting of the champions only of the aforementioned three major regional leagues. The fourth club was decided in a qualification play-off, which was contested by the regional league winners who could not play in the National Division. I guess that's why they both were held, so that the clubs who could not play in the National Division also had a chance to win a national championship. It's a bit complicated, and quite interesting. Definitely unique in Europe. It's a shame that they are denied and not recognised by the very same corrupt federation which held them. Hence the importance of this list article. Akocsg (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - all of my concerns seem to have been addressed -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:16, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I have added the sites of Erdinc Sivritepe now in the respective columns, where the final tables (and as a result the third placed teams) are all listed without exception. I think this should be enough to verify them. Regards, Akocsg (talk) 19:25, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Source review passed; promoting. -- Pres N  01:51, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


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