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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 1 July 2017 (UTC).

List of Valve Corporation video games

 * Nominator(s): The1337gamer (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Valve is one of the most the distinguished developers in the gaming industry. After rewriting this list from scratch, it has gone from 1 reference to 134. The list is now comprehensive, covering all the games they have released to date along with information on a number of cancelled projects. --The1337gamer (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Comments by Golbez
 * A few notes:
 * Does the first entry in a list need a note saying it's the first entry? :)
 * Removed this. --The1337gamer (talk) 17:24, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * TFC is noted as a remake of a mod whose devs were hired by Valve. But CS just says "mod." I know it wasn't a remake, but were its devs hired by Valve? How did this mod, which originally came out before 2000, end up as a Valve product released in 2000? Likewise, Day of Defeat.
 * Added that DoD and CS devs were hired by Valve. --The1337gamer (talk) 17:24, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * A lot of games lack genre. For example, Counter-Strike Neo is a blacklinked arcade game, so there's no indication as to what kind of game it is. I mean, based on my concept of arcade games it would seem to not be an online multiplayer first-person shooter, so what is it?
 * It is an online multiplayer first-person shooter that's available in Japaneses arcades. I didn't feel like it was necessary to restate genres for spin-offs/sequels if they were the same as the original game. Do you want me to state it? Which other games should I do that for? --The1337gamer (talk) 17:24, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm. That one's tough, because I would say an online first-person shooter *arcade* game is pretty rare, and since it's a blacklink there's nowhere to go for more info on the gameplay except the source. But... since it's Counter-Strike, we can assume in the absence of other notes that it's the same type of gameplay.


 * Likewise, "multiplayer game" is a bit lacking in detail for Ricochet.
 * I'll write a description on this later. There's not a whole lot of coverage on Ricochet. --The1337gamer (talk) 17:24, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think what you put works.


 * So this might just be me, but I'm curious about "Arcade". Is that a platform? Or should we be more specific and say, for Counter-Strike Neo, that it's on the Namco System N2, and for Left 4 Dead Survivors, it's apparently the Taito Type X3 but this is stupidly difficult for me to source. I dunno if this is needed, but as an arcade geek it would make me happy. :P Especially since they're blacklinks so there's no further place to find info on them on Wikipedia. This isn't needed, since it may be a style change, but I wanted to bring it up. --Golbez (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Typically we list "Arcade" as a platform in video game infoboxes rather than which particular board/system it is. So I think that convention should carry over to lists. I would add the system/board information to the notes but just like you I'm unable to source L4D Survivors system. --The1337gamer (talk) 06:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * That's all for now. --Golbez (talk) 12:52, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in responding, and a few extra notes above. Thanks! And btw Support since my new request is optional. --Golbez (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --The1337gamer (talk) 06:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comments by Cognissonance
 * Isn't it a wiki-rule that all images be reduced in size? File:Valve logo.svg is pretty big.
 * Only non-free images have to be low resolution to comply with WP:NFCC. Images from Wikimedia Commons can be high resolution. --The1337gamer (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


 * "Valve Corporation is an American video game developer and publisher founded in 1996 by Gabe Newell and Mike Harrington and is currently based in Bellevue, Washington." – The sentence might flow better with the first "is" covering the entire sentence's verb use, making "and is" obsolete.
 * intellectual properties – Link to Intellectual property.
 * The list itself is interesting and comprehensive.
 * "as the latter gained traction" – Was confused when I read it about which of them was the latter. Perhaps clarify that it was Half-Life.
 * "Untitled RPG – A fantasy, action role-playing game" – For simple continuity, I would have written the genre with "Untitled role-playing game (RPG)" before using the abbreviation.
 * If there is more information at all about the cancelled games, I suggest adding it. No stone left unturned.


 * Overall:

 Prose. It features professional standards of writing.✅ Lead. It has an engaging lead that introduces the subject and defines the scope and inclusion criteria.✅ Comprehensiveness. (a) It comprehensively covers the defined scope, providing at least all of the major items and, where practical, a complete set of items; where appropriate, it has annotations that provide useful and appropriate information about the items.✅ (b) In length and/or topic, it meets all of the requirements for stand-alone lists; does not violate the content-forking guideline, does not largely duplicate material from another article, and could not reasonably be included as part of a related article.✅  Structure. It is easy to navigate and includes, where helpful, section headings and table sort facilities.✅ <li>Style. It complies with the Manual of Style and its supplementary pages.<ul> <li>(a) Visual appeal. It makes suitable use of text layout, formatting, tables, and colour; and a minimal proportion of items are redlinked.✅</li> <li>(b) Media files. It has images and other media, if appropriate to the topic, that follow Wikipedia's usage policies, with succinct captions. Non-free images and other media satisfy the criteria for the inclusion of non-free content and are labeled accordingly✅ </ul></li> <li>Stability. It is not the subject of ongoing edit wars and its content does not change significantly from day to day, except in response to the featured list process.</li>✅ </ol>
 * Support. Cognissonance (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Made the suggested changes. The1337gamer (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:06, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


 * My only criticism is that the placement of Counter-Strike Online 2, Counter-Strike Nexon: Zombies and Left 4 Dead: Survivors seem out of place. Not only is the release order of Counter-Strike Online 2 odd, (2008?), but these are licensed games, correct? Do you feel it would be better to have a separated list below the first party games, with The Lab being the last? I'd like to hear your thoughts before anything, however.
 * That Counter-Strike Online 2 2008 date was a typo. Should be 2013. Corrected. Thanks for pointing that out. Yes, those games are licensed but reliable sources still considered them collaborations of Valve even if they are not the primary developer, so I think they should stay on this page. I understand your point for separating them, but I think that would just make things confusing and the presentation of the page awkward. Also an argument could be made for moving other games out of the first party list, like: the original Counter-Strike developed by modders initially, not Valve; Counter-Strike: Condition Zero which was primarily developed outside Valve; Left 4 Dead which was developed primarily by Turtle Rock Studios before takeover; Counter-Strike: Global Offensive was developed primarily by Hidden Path for its initial release. And then it becomes messy and unclear about why we are separating them. I think the current format with one list for released products and one for unreleased products works best for clarity. --The1337gamer (talk) 09:54, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I have been visiting this page ever since I added Dota 2 to it in 2010-- I have had the privilege of watching it slowly alter, without much to be said. However, I came back after quite some time to see a Featured List nomination and when I see why it would be deserving? I am astounded to see an amazing list article of top quality. I am so pleased to see this list get the attention it deserves. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 06:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Support: With that, I am endorsing Featured List status for this page. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 10:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I gave some pointers on this list back in February, so I've stayed away from this nomination... and now I'm the only closer left available. C'est la vie. Anyways, this has fulfilled all the potential that was there 4 months ago in userspace, and the source review passes, so promoting! Congrats, you're the first editor of a Video game FL since October 2016! -- Pres N  03:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


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