Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international goals scored by Ali Daei/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC).

List of international goals scored by Ali Daei

 * Nominator(s): Mojtaba2361 (talk) 03:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because of it has covers Wp:Featured list criteria. Ali Daei is all-time men's top goalscorer with 109 goals and one of the Legend of AFC in all-time.this is one of the best list in this area.I've featured this list in fa wiki too. it has additional tables and informations from similar lists and i have improved it from this version to current version.i have noticed the details for all sections of this list too.thanks. Mojtaba2361 (talk) 03:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * this is my first nomination and i've searched many references and read very lists to do my best.i spent much times for improving this list.please help me to solve the problems.thanks all of you--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 03:55, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Source review – pass
That's it on a quick first pass. Harrias talk 06:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What makes teammelli.com a reliable source?
 * What makes national-football-teams.com a reliable source?
 * The references need to be tidied: for example, if teammelli.com is reliable, then refs #86 to #93 need to be expanded to give more detail, while some other references need to be made consistent.
 * Is the "Record of Iran, When Daei scored" table original research based on the RSSSF list?
 * The "Stadiums that Daei scored in them" table is unreferenced.
 * The "Goals by year" table is unreferenced.
 * The "Goals by competition" table is unreferenced.
 * The "Goals by confederation" table is unreferenced.
 * The "Goals by opposition" table is unreferenced.
 * thanks for your comment.first thing i must say that i checked all the same lists and get note from each for improving this list. both site are reliable,i asked before from an admin and they are used in many articles include some featured list.for 1st ref you can see Category:Iran national football team results and for second ref, we have this so they are reliable.86 to 93 are additional refs and i improve them as you say.the record of iran becomes from the main table.add green column for example for winning and so..i solved them--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 17:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, let me be clearer in my wording. Please demonstrate what makes "teammelli.com" and "national-football-teams.com" reliable, based upon WP:RS. Saying that "an admin" says it is okay is not sufficient. All references must be filled out to include all relevant information in a consistent fashion to meet FL criteria. To avoid further confusion, I currently oppose the promotion of this list due to the sourcing concerns. Harrias  talk 17:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * a few sites have ali daei's statistic because he was older footballer.many refs are from 11v11.com as you can see List of international goals scored by Alfredo Di Stéfano (other candidates of fl) that use this. please see List of top international men's football goal scorers by country, many refs are from National Football Teams.95% of refs in my list are from above site.A few of them from teammelli or national football (for auxiliary links).if team melli.com wasn't reliable it couldn't be used in many articles.the template i pointed above is for national football team site. if it doesn't reliable it can't have template. i'll solve your concern about ref.wait please..--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 18:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * i Resolved your worries about refs Harrias, are you satisfied with it?--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 11:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * how is it now?--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 21:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Just a note that I can see a lot of work has gone into this, and that I will return to review my concerns as soon as possible: tomorrow if I can. Harrias  talk 21:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Further comments
 * I am still unconvinced that national-football-teams.com meets our criteria for a reliable source, please demonstrate why you think it does.
 * Ref #4 appears to be dead.
 * Ref #7 is missing the author details "armband", apparently, and the title of the website is "Sports Nova".
 * For refs #91 and #93, reformat the website as FBref.com, per their site, and add "Sports-Reference" as the publisher. Harrias  talk 09:07, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * i don't know how can i exactly prove that site is reliable but i know that that site has articles in two wiki and footnote template . In addition, many articles in Wikipedia use it as a source like: List of top international men's football goal scorers by country, List of Lebanon international footballers, Benjamin Mendy, List of Republic of Ireland international footballers and Leslie Notši . Benjamin Strack-Zimmermann the writer of the site is famous writer in this area and my search showed his name existed in 5241 articles of wiki. Only 8 of 94 Refs are from this site(about 8%) because 11v11 doesn't cover those matches so we can be a little flexible for using it.thanks.--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 00:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ref 4 replaced with 2 other refs. other refs you said amended. Best regards--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 00:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I have started a discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football to see if we can get any further on this issue with the help of WikiProject Football. Harrias  (he/him) • talk 09:43, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * please see the refs again. there's no separate NTF's refs.they are used as aid links.the main is RSSSF for those rows.is it ok now?--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 04:10, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It is still used alone as ref #10 and ref #48a. Harrias  (he/him) • talk 07:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Reformat ref #4 to remove the website address, and use Persian Gulf Pro League as the publisher.
 * Format the title of ref #5 in title case, and add These Football Times as the work.
 * Ref #9, "Persian Times" should be the work, not the publisher. Harrias  (he/him) • talk 07:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ref 10 changed and others --Mojtaba2361 (talk) 15:17, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on this, I am now content that the sourcing requirements of the FL criteria have been met. Note that I will claim WikiCup points for this review. Harrias (he/him) • talk 15:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:46, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support -- Editor7798 (talk) 19:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * On a very cursory read, I'm spotting issues. "Iranian football player" seems like an WP:EGG. "Tehran times" is incorrect capitalization. There's a missing space at the end of a sentence in the introduction. Alt text is missing. I assume that for every error I spotted, there's likely quite a few I didn't. This needs some more work. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 04:27, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks for your cm. I amended them. I done many works for this article. Every featured nomination can have particall problems for solving. I have a few FL in Fawiki and a little experience here but i'll learn more and more--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 01:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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Comments by MWright96

 * The two images should include alt text per MOS:ALT
 * "who holds the record of" - of the
 * "elevating him past Hungarian footballer Ferenc Puskás to top the" - to take the lead of the
 * The wikilink ECO Cup should be directed to 1993 ECO Cup
 * "His first international goal came in the 6–0 win" - a 6–0 victory
 * Friendly match(es) should be wikilinked on the first mention not the second
 * "Daei scored 36 goals in FIFA World Cup qualification" - the word "matches" should be included at the end of this portion of text
 * "and 23 goals in AFC Asian Cup qualification" - the word "games" is better to be added at the end of this text for clarification
 * The wikilink for AFC Asian Cup Finals in the fourth paragraph should be changed from AFC Asian Cup to List of AFC Asian Cup finals
 * "His final appearance for Team Melli was in the 2006 FIFA World Cup against Angola." - the date of this match could be benefical to include
 * For the above sentence, it would also be benefical to include what stage of the World Cup Daei played his final international match
 * "he scored his last hat-trick against Laos in a 2006 FIFA World Cup Qualification," - the word "match" is missing from the end of this portion of text
 * "He scored 44 international goals at Azadi Stadium," - at the
 * Azadi Stadium should be linked once not twice in the lead
 * "his highest tally against one country" - any
 * In both the international goals and hat-trick tables, there needs to be more rowspan templates in the venue sections where appropriate so it can be expanded from just one single game where Daei scored one or more goals at the same venue to successive games at the same venue where Daei scored one or more goals. See List of international goals scored by Sunil Chhetri for an example.
 * All of the dates in the dates columns in the international goals and hat-tricks tables could do with the addition of the date table sorting template. Template:Date table sorting will provider further details on how to do this.
 * The four mentions of the phrase "friendly matches" in the international goals table should be replaced by just "Friendly"
 * A table caption is missing from the top of the hat-tricks table to comply with MOS:ACCESS. This quote by PresN might apply to this list: "In the case that the table is the first thing in a section where the section header is essentially the same as what the caption would be, and therefore looks duplicative visually, you can make the caption screen reader-only with the sronly template, e.g. "
 * The goals by year table in the statistics section is missing the scope="col" for the columns
 * The goals by year table should ideally be made sortable for assessibility
 * All three of the notes should have a referenced added to the end of them for verifiablity
 * The hyphens in refs 5 and 92 need to be replaced by en dashes (–) per MOS:DASH
 * Reference 5 is missing the authors
 * The word nova in "Sport nova" in Reference 7 should begin with a capital letter
 * The title of Reference 87 should not be in all capital letters per MOS:ALLCAPS
 * Same issue as above but with Reference 92
 * The word times in "Tehran times" in Reference 8 should start with a capital letter

That's all I've got for this review. Plenty to do for the nominator. MWright96 (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello. Thanks for your time to reviewing the article and helping me. All of above ✅. I learned a lot from you and your accuracy. best regards.--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 01:10, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

}} Support – I have made two minor changes to the prose in the lead. MWright96 (talk) 19:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * many thanks--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Support - I can't see any issues.Pinkfloyd amir (talk) 15:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments from TRM
That's it on a really swift first pass. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!&#33;!&#33;) 23:49, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Every para of the lead starts with his (sur)name. Repetitive.
 * Make it clear that it's association football as many of our readers have no idea that other codes of football exist.
 * "all-time men's international top goalscorer" piped to a redirect, no good reason.
 * FourFourTwo is a work.
 * "On 28 November 2003, in an Asian Cup qualifier in Tehran against Lebanon, he scored his 85th ..." seems odd to discuss this before discussing his first ever international goal.
 * the 1st para is about his record and it is a date for that--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 11:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * " (also known as Team Melli) " only used once subsequently so remove and just refer to Iran as Iran.
 * Tehran is overlinked in the lead.
 * As is Laos.
 * "in a friendly matches" just "match" here.
 * "hat-trick" is used in three consecutive sentences making for boring and repetitive prose, please rework it.
 * "Daei scored 36 goals in FIFA World Cup qualification matches and 23 goals in AFC Asian Cup qualification games, as well as 14 goals in AFC Asian Cup Finals. The remainder of his goals, 27," 36+23+14+27 = 100. But he scored 109?  You've left out the 9 at the Asian Games....
 * "against the Maldives and Laos," against two opposition teams, the Maldives and Laos.
 * What makes fbref.com a WP:RS?

thanks for your Cm TRM. i amended all of above.--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 11:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Support --John B123 (talk) 20:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  15:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


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