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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:32, 29 August 2017 (UTC).

List of international goals scored by Benni McCarthy

 * Nominator(s): Liam E. Bekker (talk) 14:11, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because Benni McCarthy is South Africa's all-time leading goalscorer in football, and is widely recognized as one of the nation's best ever footballers. All reference to career achievements and goals scored are well sourced and set out in an easy to read manner.Liam E. Bekker (talk) 14:11, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Comments from N Oneemuss
This list looks good but there are definitely a few consistency issues. That's all, I think. I will probably support once these comments are addressed (though I might take another look). N Oneemuss (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of adding the two sources you mentioned above to the note; feel free to revert if I misunderstood you or anything.
 * I'm not sure if the lead needs to say "calendar year"; I think that's what most readers would assume anyway (if you just wrote "year").
 * I'd link World Cup in the lead.
 * "Most capped" should be hyphenated, I think.
 * Maybe mention what position McCarthy played.
 * Maybe also link Burkina Faso and Cape Verde in the table.
 * The Venue column in the table has quite a few problems actually:
 * Some entries have the names of stadiums, whereas others have the names of cities. One (30) has both.
 * All the entries have a country given except for 9, which has a city.
 * No. 30 is the only entry with three pieces of information given. All of the above need to be standardised.
 * Also, how about Location as a name instead of Venue (not that I'm too bothered)?
 * The two goals against Turkey have the same thing listed in score, which is obviously wrong.
 * There's still a contradiction; if McCarthy scored two goals after equalling Bartlett's record of 29, then McCarthy would have scored a total of 31 goals, not the 32 mentioned in the article. If the note is correct, then the lead needs to be edited to reflect that.

Response

Hi, thank you for the comments and for adding the sources to the note. It is much appreciated. I have ticked off your first four points and the last two. I agree about the standardization of the venue column. I'll try and tackle that during the course of the day and get back to you. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker (talk) 06:10, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The table has now been standardized as well. Liam E. Bekker (talk) 10:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice work. I still have a few comments though:
 * Maybe provide his full name in the lead sentence (I see from his article that he's called Benedict).
 * The final score in the match against Germany is wrong (check the source, it should be 2–4). I looked at a couple of other sources and the scores were all correct, but it might be worth taking a closer look.
 * Also, not all of the sources support all of the information in the row. For example, for goal 15, source 9 only gives the final score and that McCarthy scored; it doesn't mention the date (just the month), location or score after McCarthy scored. Source 6 is similar; it doesn't support the score that McCarthy made it, or the location of the match. These are the first two sources I checked, so it's definitely worth looking at the sourcing again. You could always add several sources for one goal if you had to. (Source 3 does support some of this, but not exact stadiums or the score after each of his goals.)
 * That's everything. Once these (and those of my earlier comments that haven't been dealt with) are addressed I will definitely support. N Oneemuss (talk) 14:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Second response
 * Fixed the goals against Turkey *properly* this time, as has been done with Germany. Is there a particular reason for Cape Verde and Burkina Faso to be linked, while the other nation's remain unlinked? I've also added his full name.
 * Only because those two countries are quite 'obscure', whereas something like United States shouldn't be linked per WP:OVERLINK. Still, if you want to be consistent then I think leaving all countries unlinked would be OK too. N Oneemuss (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Re: location instead of specific stadium, the precedent seems to lean toward stadium names being used as is evident with Klose, Rooney and Torres. It's probably best to keep things uniform in this regard.
 * It might be tough going that far back but I will try and find sources that are that specific and get back to you. Cheers for now, Liam E. Bekker (talk) 14:22, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, just a quick one. The source in the the caption for the table, which serves sort of like an all-encompassing source, makes reference to the date, opponent, score and competition. Would this not be sufficient to address your concerns in the very last point? Liam E. Bekker (talk) 13:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that it might be hard to find sources for games so long ago, and I certainly wouldn't oppose based on this issue, but there are a few things missing from the source in the caption, namely stadium name and the score after his goals. How did you find this information in the first place? N Oneemuss (talk) 08:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * *wipes sweat from brow* - all of the fixtures now have sources indicating venue, date, result, goalscorers, and order of goals. Please not that I've also fixed the issue re the record. The original was correct, it had only been distorted because of the mistaken inclusion of a goal scored by Shaun Bartlett. Let me know what you think . Cheers, Liam E. Bekker (talk) 09:52, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It certainly looks good to me! I'm actually on holiday now (hence the late response) so I don't have time to check the sources right now, but I'll take your word for it and seeing as I wouldn't want to hold up this nomination any longer, I'll support. Great work with this list! N Oneemuss (talk to me · see my edits · email me) 20:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Support – thanks for the prompt response. One last (minor) comment – the image should have alt text.  That, however, won't stop me giving (long overdue) support to this great list! —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:25, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Support I spotted one issue in the references, but fixed it myself. Nice work. Harrias  talk 08:38, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Source review passed, promoting. -- Pres N  14:20, 28 August 2017 (UTC)


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