Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international goals scored by Miroslav Klose/archive2


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by SchroCat via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 9 August 2016 (UTC).

List of international goals scored by Miroslav Klose

 * Nominator(s): &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 02:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I had nominated it around six months ago and it failed because it went stale; I was a novice and was not commenting on enough other reviews to gain consensus. All of the criteria brought up by the reviewers back then were addressed. &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 02:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Comments The Rambling Man (talk) 08:08, 31 May 2016 (UTC) Comments, just minor ones,
 * No need to make the first digit of each score bold, you've already stated the Germany goals are listed first.
 * done &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 10:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Result col doesn't sort correctly (the 13-0 comes before 1-0...)
 * I am not particularly technical, do you know how to make it go in that order? &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 10:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Saints be praised, I've done it &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 12:06, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Competition and Venue columns don't have consistent linking.
 * That was to prevent overlink but this is a table and people will move it around so yeah I'll link all of it &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 10:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC) Done &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You may need to explain Cap (or add a Key which does this).
 * Done (I think) &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * row and col scopes needed for all tables per WP:ACCESS.
 * Done &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I added the Category:Career achievements of association football players for you!
 * Thanks. That category seemed to have been emptied earlier, as if it were deleted... &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There is no reason NOT to have goals in the same game merged across the columns. Nergaal (talk) 19:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's fine as it is. Just personal preference to merge cells, and may make it more of an accessibility challenge.  Merged cells unmerge following a sort in any case.   The Rambling Man (talk) 11:14, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * "Klose scored in his first match for Germany", on his debut for Germany sounds better?
 * List of goals table need row scopes to comply with MOS:DTT, Lemonade51 (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

, as you can deduce, I have been unfamiliar with this technicality. Have I now added it right? &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 02:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - my main concerns have been addressed, nice work. Lemonade51 (talk) 20:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments The prose is very good, but I feel it's poor record at the Euros is being overlooked, with three goals, it's not even in the top ten. Odd for the World Cup record holder. Also, he never scored in any of three finals he played.--Threeohsix (talk) 10:56, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comments. His number of goals at the Euros is included in the prose and in the table by competition. Why Klose has these cycles of coming good every four years is a mystery to me as well, but we go by what sources say and I can't recall much journalism damning his performances at the Euros. In comparison, for example, Zlatan Ibrahimović used to be damned (at least in my country's inward-looking media) as the guy who never scored against English teams. See references such as  for that, although as I say that comes from a national bias and would not be recalled in other country's media. &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 13:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, now I look at the stats, he played three times as many games in the World Cup than Euros. This is hampered by the old 16-team format, and Germany's failure in 2004. His goal record of 3 in 6 at the Euros is a better ratio than in friendlies, although he played 10 times as many friendlies. &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You can tweak the prose to reflect his low scoring record in the Euros, and the final of a tournament. Something like ... another 13 in qualification games. In the UEFA European Championship finals, he scored three goals in six matches, putting him outside of tournament's top ten goalscorers. In the qualification stages, he netted 16 goals. The remainder ...and Sweden. Klose has never scored in any of the three tournament finals he took part on.--Threeohsix (talk) 14:32, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I am personally unconvinced that the reader would be interested in games he didn't score in, particularly when you take into account the title of the list. &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 19:19, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support Go on then.--Threeohsix (talk) 11:39, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments' NapHit (talk) 17:13, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * "across the four editions from 2002 to 2014."
 * "for the 2002 FIFA World Cup qualification." -> during qualification for the 2002 FIFA World Cup.
 * "an 8–0 rout of Saudi Arabia..." rout is not exactly encyclopedic language. Just use victory or win to remain neutral.
 * "Klose netted two goals..." try and avoid journalistic words such as netted, just say it as it is, scored.
 * ref 13 needs an en dash
 * Is Goal.com considered a reliable source? Always thought that was on the unreliable list.
 * You need a full stop at the end of the caption in the second image.

✅ I wouldn't trust Goal.com alone for rumours, but for match reports it's not a serious issue &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 21:20, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support meets the criteria. NapHit (talk) 15:14, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment The nominator has been indefinitely blocked for sockpuppeting. - Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 01:10, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Seeing as the article has multiple supports already, is anyone interested in working on the article if there are further reviews? If not, it would make for one of us to close the FLC. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 21:11, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Source review: Sources are all OK - formatting good, spotchecks shown the information is supported and no copy vios. - SchroCat (talk) 07:25, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

It's got enough supports and a check shows no issues I can see. Although the nom is blocked, that doesn't mean that the article does not reach the standards we look for, and it does so here. - SchroCat (talk) 07:25, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
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