Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of municipalities of the Netherlands/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Giants2008 10:02, 24 June 2013 (UTC).

List of municipalities of the Netherlands

 * Nominator(s): CRwikiCA  talk 13:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because in my opinion it meets the criteria and is of similar quality as other already featured lists of places. Note I have made significant improvements upgrading it from this to what it is now. CRwikiCA talk 13:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Were you going to place any dates on founding in the list and/or the name origins?Coal town guy (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Founding dates do generally not exist. Only for some merged municipalities there would be an actual date, most municipalities would have at most a rough estimation of when the spot was settled. Because the field would have different meanings for different municipalities I don't think it would be good to include it. Although the origin of the name of the town is interesting, I do not personally see it as important as other items that could be added. One of the other columns that I often see is maps, which I could add. I hadn't done it because loading ~500 images might be much, but if that would not be a problem for Wikipedia users, I would be happy to add those. CRwikiCA  talk 15:31, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Understood, a map image may be helpful, in fact, I would advise it. Taker a look at the Featured lists for some US Counties, and they do have a table structure which would allow you to use a map, with the sole purpose of showing a pinpooint location. I kmow it does sound US centric to suggest, but I was only looking at your statement about maps. Its been a few years since I have been to the NetherlandsCoal town guy (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I added the maps, as you can see someone had already made nice graphical maps which were easy to include. It does add a nice touch to the tables. CRwikiCA  talk 22:31, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Well done. The only gap I see is maybe a few words about special municipalities, what they in comparison to a "regular" one. Addditionally, the intro paragraph, EXCELLENT. However, I would strongly suggest getting some refs as to the type of government in the Netherlands, maybe a quote from its constitution. My Dutch is rather piss poor BUT I could look for a German version. I had to do so for the FL candidate I had promoted (quote local constitution), learned alot in that process for certain. My roommate was from the Netherlands and was possibly my best German teacher I had. His American English has also vastly improved, thanks to our mutual desire to sound better when we spoke. He forbade me to learn any Dutch though....Coal town guy (talk) 12:29, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments and constructive critism, it is the first time I am sending an article through a process like this. If I were to interpret your advice I would say to reference the relevant law texts as well in the parts were only the English-language Dutch government sites are referenced. Would this be what you mean? Most laws are available to read online, so it should be possible to find the relevant passages. Writing these articles does indeed teach you a lot, especially when you research a topic a bit. CRwikiCA  talk 14:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * To the point of quoting your specific constitution, yes, you are correct. IF you are able, not required, try to foind a book via google books that would have some interpretation of said document. BOTH are fine, but my experience has shown me that there is a sort of preferance for books if possibleCoal town guy (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I added some additional references to the constitution, the municipalities act and a book on municipal law. This should add some more context to the municipal status section. Do you have any other comments about the List-article? CRwikiCA  talk 16:23, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, get some refs on the terms of office ( 4 years) and the functions of the municipalities. Its starting to look very nice. Also, ANY Etymology?? Additionally, you will needs refs on any and all population stats.Coal town guy (talk) 16:45, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The population stats are referenced in the column headers where applicable. Only the population density for the special municipalities is not referenced, because I could not find a source, so they are computed from the other two. Should I refer to a note that states that? The four year term is actually the constitutional reference and the translation in English and 3 additional languages is available on the linked official government website. A sentence (or two) about the etymology of the name gemeente is a good idea, I also realize that the term gemeente only occurs in the lead and not in the main text section. Thanks for you critical eye. CRwikiCA  talk 17:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * EXCELLENT. Make a notation about the population, when possible. As to the government web site, that can be very good as when you ref the cite 100% certain to note the author of the web site as well as the last time it was updated. OR, try to find a pdf of it. As to special municipalities, try to add some more flesh to that, and by all means, yes, state the population stats are difficult, Try a local library, online population stats etc etc before saying, cant find it. FORGOT to ask, did this article get a peer review?Coal town guy (talk) 17:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Link for Constitution dated 2008, in English. Hey there this should be it. It provides the user a link to download the Netherlands Constitution in English. Its dated 2008, and is on the Netherlands Government web site.Coal town guy (talk) 17:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I included the English language link to the constitution reference. To answer your question, the article was not peer reviewed. Population stats can be difficult, although a lot of the Dutch stats are available online, one of the issues with the stats for the special municipalities is that the responsibility for those shifted when those were instated. Exactly what kind of additional information about the special municipalities would you like to see added? A lot of the government websites do not actually specify an author and in some cases not even an update date, but I will go through them and see what I can add for each reference. CRwikiCA  talk</i> 18:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like the list as is, BUT, since I have gone through the FL list procedure before I am trying to anticipate what others will want as well. As to special municipalities, the best thing might be to say what makes them special per the Constitution. I will contact a fwew other editors to see what their feedback would be as well. The list you have is ambitious, and with a bit more fleshing to the municipalities, is a good one, certainly educationalCoal town guy (talk) 18:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The constitution does not describe the special municipalities, I checked the text to confirm this. They were instituted with the cited Act in 2010, which regulates their function, role and other things mentioned in the article. Because they are not enshrined in the constitution, their legal status might be a bit different, but I do not know to which detail the legal technicalities should be discussed in the article. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 19:29, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I added the note for the population density and added notes with the dates for some of the other data as well, because the last update of the sources does not always correspond with the date of the actual data. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 19:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it does not seem like other people have taken an interest in reviewing this candidacy. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 13:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * STRONG Support. I believe this is an excellent list, there are some issues which others must comment on. BUT, I want to the first to say, you did a hell of a lot of work on this, good for you in at least making better data for this encyclopedia. I would suggest that you get to the Netherlands Portal and drum up some folks to lookCoal town guy (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Support This would make a fine featured list.  Easy navigation with the sortable table and maps of the locations at the side.


 * The table currently doesn't meet MOS:DTT – adding !scope=row| before the name of the each municipality would fix that.
 * The rows are all preceded by .  CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 21:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * My mistake! A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 22:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Municipalities beginning with either "De" or "Den" are inititally sorted under their second word, but, when sorted by name, they jump up to D. Using something like Template:Sort or Template:Sortname would correct this.
 * This is a good point, one of the questions is what is desirable. Sorting by the name part of it is the Dutch way of sorting, by the first letter overall is the English way. I think the English method might be preferable for users once they start sorting, but I can change it if you disagree. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 21:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Replacing, say,  with something like   would keep the names in the same place when they sort. A Thousand Doors (talk &#124; contribs) 22:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I implemented the sortname for these cases. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 14:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Support - This list looks incredible! Really interesting to read, great work! Some things I would have said have been pointed out above. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   13:38, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


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