Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of teams and cyclists in the 2014 Tour de France/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 15 April 2017 (UTC).

List of teams and cyclists in the 2014 Tour de France

 * Nominator(s): BaldBoris 17:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Another Tour de France teams and cyclists list following my FLs of 2012 (FLC) and 2013 (FLC). The bulk of the work done on the tables was done by and, I've just identified it as a possible FLC, tidied it up and then add the lead. BaldBoris 17:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Comment – In the second photo caption, is the first "stage" in "before the stage of the fourth stage" intentional, or was that meant to be "start"? Giants2008 ( Talk ) 23:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Typo, thanks. BaldBoris 00:00, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Support – That was the only issue I found in an excellent piece of work. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 03:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments:
 * What is "HD" originated from?
 * "Hors délais". The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you think a footnote is needed? BaldBoris 19:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The "by section" tables should give out the team classification times+positions (below the director?).
 * Do you mean "by team"? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Can only benefit the reader I suppose. Something like below? Please change it to how think it looks best. BaldBoris 19:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Thinking about, the section is really about the cyclists, so this would need to go in the teams section. Perhaps a wikitable simlar to List of 2016 UCI WorldTeams and riders. Instead of "Groupset" and "Bicycles", have the directeur sportif and the team classification place and deficit. This could mean we could do away with the "By team" section entirely. BaldBoris 20:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I've made a table for the teams as mentioned above. Take a look at to see what it could look like, also without the "By team" section. Pinging and, as I know they'll want this off the urgent list. BaldBoris 23:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The teams section should have stylized jerseys listed too (you guys have something like Football kit?
 * Stylized jerseys are purely decorative. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't want to go into too much detail but cycling jerseys/kit aren't the same as other pro sports teams. The majority of cycling teams are reliant on sponsorship, which can change every season, and thus their kits are a reflection of the team's sponsors (not plain colours like a football clubs). Regardless of this, I highly doubt we'll ever have all the kit images done, with the amount they change and the little amount of people able to make them. You can imagine the inconsistency. We currently use non-free images on the team's article, but nowhere else. BaldBoris 19:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Nergaal (talk) 15:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Relpied to comments above. Can I ask why you changed the legend font size to 90%? Where's the MOS on this? BaldBoris 19:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * There's nothing in MOS to support that, so I've restored the normal text size. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Pinging BaldBoris, as I don't want this nomination to go stale!
 * What would you think about having a picture of either Chris Froome or Andre Greipel in the lead, directly above the map? It could say that while Froome won the race, Greipel secured his fourth victory with the completion of the final leg.
 * This is a personal preference of mine; I've chosen to put images of all the classification winners in the "By starting number" section. The two others I have promoted (2012 and 2013) use the same. I do think believe in consistency though and think all the Grand Tour team list should all follow the same style. BaldBoris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "The race was contested by 22 teams". Why not "22 teams competed in the race"?
 * I can't find where but someone pointed this out to me at WP:NUMNOTES. BaldBoris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see: "Avoid beginning a sentence with figures". D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "The number of riders allowed per squad was nine..." The wording is a little off, in my opinion. How about "Each squad was allowed nine riders"?
 * I agree it's off, but I think the revision should be "Each team was allowed a squad of nine riders" or "Each squad was allowed a maximum of nine riders". The FL List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Vuelta a España uses "As each team was entitled to enter nine riders, the peloton...". BaldBoris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would go for the latter of your two suggestions. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "Of this, 47 were riding..." Would "Of them" be more appropriate, as we're talking about athletes? "This" sounds possessive of the number, rather than the individuals themselves. Or, was this your intention?
 * I think I just recycled it from another. During the FAC of the 2012 Tour de France, changed it from "Of this" to "Of these" . So, it's between "them" or "these"? BaldBoris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think "these" is better -- starting a sentence with "Of them, ..." sounds very unnatural to me. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I would settle for "these". D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Beyond this nitpicking, I am very impressed with the composition and referencing of the lead. I can see that you have put a large amount of effort into getting it polished and up to snuff.
 * The references would appear to be in good order. Previous Featured List designations use similar sources with a similar ratio of first to third party ones. Good job!
 * There is very little work to be done before you have my support vote. I ask that you at least look into having a good picture in the lead, as well as applying the minute suggestions I have in mind. D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 06:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, I had almost forgotten about this myself. Your ping to me didn't work BTW. BaldBoris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, that's a damn shame! D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for being so reasonable, methodical and showing of logic behind addressing my concerns. You hereby have my Support for Featured List status. When you have a little time, I would love it if you could return the favor at Featured list candidates/List of Alien characters/archive1, (which is almost as old as this one! :P). D ARTH B OTTO talk•cont 05:38, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

We're in a bit of a spot here. Nergaal has "retired" but his comments and your responses appear to have bloated the nomination to the point where no-one dare touch it. Would yo be prepared to request further review from other nominators or the cycling project to expedite this? As far as I'm concerned, it's good to go, but we need to see more consensus than just Giants and DarthBotto. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:28, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I did wonder happened there. I o think his comment is better discussed with people at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cycling. I'll start it now and also request reviews. Four months old now... Is that a record? BaldBoris 16:27, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It could be...! I would also collapse the various tables etc here in this nom into a "resolved" or "archived" tab to improve readability of the overall state of the nom.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Support okay, that leaves from the FLC team uninvolved!  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Close, the marathon List of parrots FLC lasted 4 months and 14 days, just beating this one's 4 months. Flipped through the sources and didn't see any issues, so, finally, closing as promoted! -- Pres N  18:59, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


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