Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Malmö FF in Europe/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 23:06, 6 February 2012.

Malmö FF in Europe

 * Nominator(s): Reckless182 (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Malmö FF is a Swedish association football club that have achieved both domestic and international success. The club's most notable feat is reaching the 1979 European Cup Final. The club also reached the quarter-finals of the Cup Winner's Cup twice and played once in the Intercontinental Cup, the only Swedish team to have played a competitive match outside Europe. The nominated list consists of statistics from all matches played by Malmö FF in official UEFA and FIFA competition, complete with references for all matches. I believe that the list meets all of the FL criteria and I hope that my fellow editors feel the same! --Reckless182 (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Support well done NapHit (talk) 22:15, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Reckless182 (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Support. Alt text was needed for the picture at the top, which I have added. This is a complete, comprehensive and well-laid-out list of Malmö FF's results in Europe, which is all it needs to be. A detailed history in prose form belongs in the History of Malmö FF article. Have given this a thorough copy-edit and resolved some small issues – feel free to revert if you disagree with any of this. I have no qualms about supporting this fine list which meets all of the criteria. Well done! —Cliftonian (talk) 01:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * What makes fussballdaten.de a reliable source? Giants2008  ( Talk ) 22:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking at the legal statement of the website I'd say it looks reliable. The website is a service offered by a publisher specializing in football data by the looks of it. Perhaps a German editor could be able to tell us if he/she would consider it reliable? --Reckless182 (talk) 00:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Mh, not reliable: Die Autoren übernehmen keinerlei Gewähr für die Aktualität, Korrektheit, Vollständigkeit oder Qualität der bereitgestellten Informationen.  - The authors do not take any warranty for topicality, correctness, completeness and quality of provided information. Doesn't sound very reliable... ♫GoP♫ T C N  12:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's just a disclaimer, surely... many books include these too, should we discount them as well? According to its "about" page, the site is affiliated with T-online and fussball.de, both run by Deutsche Telekom, and sport.de, published by RTL Interactive. I remember when I used to do a lot of work on English soccer lists and articles the yardstick we used to use there to establish reliability was whether or not the site was cited by a high-quality source. I'd say both Deutsche Telekom and RTL would be considered sound references, so I'd be happy with sourcing to fussballdaten.de. This is just my opinion, of course. —Cliftonian (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, similar legal statements is used quite often for websites and books. --Reckless182 (talk) 20:39, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Since there's some debate on this one, I'll leave it outside the capping for others to consider. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 04:03, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I did some research and found that the site is used as a reference in several season articles for German football clubs on the English Wikipedia as well as the GA Franck Ribéry. Looks more and more like a reliable source. --Reckless182 (talk) 09:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because it's used elsewhere on Wikipedia, doesn't automatically make it acceptable here – just a tip. You'd be better off looking for reliable sources off-Wiki which use its database. <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 12:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am aware of that, I just thought I'd mention it. Only source I've found this far is ströer interative which is most likely the company that built or perhaps designed the website. They state in German: "Fussballdaten.de ist DIE bewährte Quelle für Fußballjournalisten und viele andere Meinungsführer aus Deutschlands beliebtester Sportart", which rougly translates to "Fussballdaten.de is THE trusted source for football journalists and other opinion leaders from many of Germany's most popular sport". Can we use this to determine reliability or is this judged as a subjective opinion since they probably built the website? Note that they are not the administrators of the website. --Reckless182 (talk) 13:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you tell me what is the purpose of the disclaimer then? Tell it to a newbie who has nearly zero knowledge in law :) ♫GoP♫ <sub style="color:red;">T <sup style="color:red;">C <sub style="color:red;">N 13:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * fussballdaten.de really is as reliable as it gets for statistics on German league and cup games. Line-ups, substitutes and other information is exhaustive and commendable for its accuracy. As for their legal disclaimer, this is very typically German. I don't think Germany has a culture of suing as is stereotyped in America, but Germans are very clear about not assuming safeguards for accuracy (which in itself seems incredible with their own stereotypes of correctness and punctuality). Each and every publication includes the same information: "Alle Angaben ohne Gewähr". A great example of this is the official national lottery website, http://www.lotto.de/, note here at the bottom of the page in italics Alle Angaben ohne Gewähr. Not even the lottery's own website assumes responsibility for the publication of the lotto numbers! Even when the draw is made or the winning numbers are announced at the end of the news bulletin, it's always the same "We take no responsibility for the correctness of this information" (and have a look how often this is pointed out here). That fussballdaten.de has the same thing written in their disclaimer makes it no different to any other German website, but the contents, indeed, are as reliable as any other you can find. Even the news service of Rundfunk Berlin-Brandenburg's "inforadio" discount the responsibility of content errors here, so the general disclaimer over at fussballdaten.de really does nothing to discredit its content, as far as the original question is concerned. Jared Preston (talk) 22:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jared. <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 22:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Indeed! --Reckless182 (talk) 22:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I understood (this can be capped). -- ♫GoP♫ <sub style="color:red;">T <sup style="color:red;">C <sub style="color:red;">N 15:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support, nice work. – Lemonade51 (talk) 13:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks man! --Reckless182 (talk) 14:11, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
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