Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Premier League Player of the Month/archive1


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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:39, 24 October 2009.

Premier League Player of the Month

 * Nominator(s): Rambo's Revenge (talk)  20:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

It's been a while since I nominated once of these, but I got working on this today and have completely revamped it from its former state. I hope I remembered any new FLC requirements (like alt text etc.) and I apologise if I didn't. Thanks in advance for your comments. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  20:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Support Great job! — Martin tamb (talk) 18:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * In the lead, there are several mentions of "presently" / "most recent", with no indication of when "now" is (bearing in mind the most recent entry in the list is five screens away...)
 * Personally I think the present Barclay name is fine as is, but I've added an As of for the most recent recipient. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  14:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * fair enough


 * The second para could do with a copyedit.
 * Might be me being thick, or just because it's hard to copyedit when I wrote it, but I see no problems here. Rambo's Revenge (talk)</b>  14:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It was the 2 sponsorships and a sponsor within 14 words, and "There already existed..." seemed an awkward way to start a sentence. Could turn that one round to say "Carling introduced new Manager of the Month and Manager of the Year awards for the 1993–94 season, to supplement (or complement, or add to) the existing Football Writers' Association and Professional Footballers' Association Player of the Year awards." Just varies the word order a bit, the prose in award lists is always desperately repetitive. But if I'm the only critic, then leave it how it is :-)
 * Done both. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  16:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Image captions only have a full stop (period) if they are complete sentences, so some of them shouldn't.
 * I did know that I'm just rubbish at identifying which is which. Is it correct now? <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  14:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Robbie Keane: either remove the full stop, or remove the "who", thus making it into a complete sentence, and leave the full stop
 * Done. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  16:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * If you're going to link entries in the year column, you have to link them all, with the table being sortable.
 * Do the month and year need to be in separate columns? was just wondering why anyone would want to sort all the Januarys together. (Wouldn't expect you to change it, just wondering why.)
 * With respect to both of those do you want me to go to a format like this (the first few rows). I can, but it is a long laborious manual task so it won't be an instant change. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  14:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure it doesn't look clearer with the month and year separate, however pointless. If it was me, I'd leave the format as it is, and either link all the years to their season if I thought they were valuable links, or delink them if I didn't.
 * Done. All linked. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  16:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * As the key is only one item, could you move it to the top so we can see it before we come across the mark in the table? Also, could you change it to a different punctuation mark, an asterisk or dagger or something: when I first noticed it (against Edu) I saw it as a diacritic, and even now I know what it's for I can't help interpreting it as something to click on to go up the page :-)
 * Done, it wasn't my choice in the first place. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b>  <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  13:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Multiple winners etc tables. Don't like halfs: Shearer won it 4 times, as his picture caption says, even if somebody else won as well in one of those months. Think the prize money (if any) argument is a red herring.
 * Question. I have done this for the individual awards, but when English Liverpool clubmates Fowler and Colymore share the award in Jan 96 is it really right to count it as two Liverpool and two England awards? <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  13:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be original research (or something) to do otherwise? their shared wins would surely count to their club/country had they occurred in different months. I might just be irrationally prejudiced against the idea of ½ an award, but if it said 4 (1 shared) rather than 3½ it might not be unreasonable to sort 4 above 4 (1 shared). Though to be serious, if you kept the halves, you'd need to note at the By club table why Liverpool have 16 entries in the main list but that only counts for 15 in the By club table, and you'd be doing well if you made it sound convincing and not like original research
 * Done <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  11:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Also on halves, the number columns in the Wins per club/country tables don't sort properly.
 * Will fix/remove pending answer to my above question. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  13:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  11:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * References. Some of your archive mirrors have the wrong archived-on dates, probably comes of c&p'ing a long citation template :-)
 * Done I'm sure I doubled checked these, obviously not or perhaps I didn't save it. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  14:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ref #4 BBC "Why Carling called time on Premiership" has an author who should be credited. There may be others.
 * Done. Good spot, because the BBC don't usually list them. I checked the other beeb ones too. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  13:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * With BBC pages, Premier League match reports and analytical-type articles generally do have authors, lower-league match reports and straight reporting generally don't. I only bother checking anything that looks like it falls in the former category. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * External links. The Premier League one gives an error page, and the premiershiplatest one thinks for ages and then comes up with a blank page.
 * Done. Removed section. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  13:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, have you considered having a column for playing position (not detailed, just basic Goalkeeper/Defender/Midfielder/Forward). Wonder whether winners by playing position might be at least as relevant a breakdown as by country.
 * Done <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  11:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

hope some of this helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:40, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Support meets criteria, as far as I can tell. One more suggestion, would the list usefully belong in Category:Lists of football (soccer) players? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In my opinion it would not be a useful category. All of Category:English football trophies and awards are stand-alone lists in the sense that not only are they an "article" about the award, they are also the list of winners. So in that sense I think the "English football trophies and awards" category is almost a kind of subcat of "Lists of football (soccer) players". Maybe something needs renaming though? <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  16:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Support – No need to apologize; I've seen lists with far worse problems than this one. I made one further grammar fix to help this along, and everything else appears in order.  Giants2008  ( 17–14 ) 21:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a typo in this alt text: "He has short black hair, green eyes, and is perspiration is visible on his forehead". Eveything else looks good, so I am happy to support on the assumption that you will fix the above -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, and thanks for the support. <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  13:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Done all of these. I actually think adding "|work=premierleague.com" is wrong because I've been told before at FAC that websites are not a work and should not be italicised, however it is a minor detail and I will leave it as is. Thanks for your comments, <b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b> <b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b>  16:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - Thanks for making those changes. I'm happy to support the promotion of this list, and I hope that Premier League Manager of the Month will be next. – PeeJay 23:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


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