Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Stanley Kubrick filmography/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:30, 1 April 2021 (UTC).

Stanley Kubrick filmography

 * Nominator(s): ~  HAL  333  16:30, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Here is a list of Stanley Kubrick's films. He is widely regarded as one of the greatest directors. ~ HAL  333  16:30, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments by Alexandra
 * The second lead paragraph has an issue with repetitive "He directed A. Then he directed B. Then he directed C. Then he directed D." type of writing, especially in the beginning where we list off his documentaries and first feature film one by one.
 * While the unfinished film may have been named by Kubrick after Pinocchio, linking the article on the character here gives one the impression that the link will take one to an article about the unfinished film - especially as it is italicized like a title. I would suggest unlinking it.
 * The wording of the annotation Also editor, director of special effects, and breathing sounds read literally means that Kubrick was the breathing sounds rather than that he made them
 * Looks good otherwise. Please ping me when you have addressed the above and I will take another look.--AlexandraIDV 10:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've worked on the prose. ~ HAL  333  00:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support on prose, although I am unsure re: the concerns over criterion 3c that RunningTiger123 brought up.--AlexandraIDV 14:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Additionally support on 3c with the addition of the reception list--AlexandraIDV 14:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

The only thing I can add to the above is that the prose is a bit choppy in places, with short sentences which could be joined together, e.g. "His final film was the erotic thriller Eyes Wide Shut starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. The film was released posthumously in 1999" - that seven-word sentence could easily be joined to the previous one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * , I have done some work addressing the 3c issues. ~  HAL  333  21:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Support – With the addition of a reception section, this page now has enough information to stand on its own, in my opinion. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Comments from Dank
 * Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
 * My first thought when I started reading was that it would be really difficult to write a good lead for a Stanley Kubrick list ... he went in so many different directions in his career. But you did it, and made it hang together ... well done.
 * I don't have a preference, but "Dr. Strangelove" (as a film title, not a person) is normally alphabetized under D rather than S (and this is where you put it in the second table, but not in the first). In the second table, A Clockwork Orange should be filed under C, not A. Also, don't alphabetize these under "The": The Killing, The Seafarers, The Shining. Otherwise, the coding in the table seems fine.
 * Addressed. ~ HAL  333  19:15, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * FLC criteria:
 * 1. The prose is fine. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss.
 * 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
 * 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
 * 3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any problems (but this isn't a source review).
 * 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
 * 4. It is navigable.
 * 5. It meets style requirements. You make good use of images (but that's about all I'm qualified to say).
 * 6. It is stable.
 * Support, since this is close enough to the finish line. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 18:54, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Comments
 * General: I think the formal awards he received for his work are more important than the critical reception from Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic, so I'd expect to see all those nominations and awards listed in a table here. Ok, it's listed as a "See also".  Perhaps put main at the top of the section instead?
 * "13 feature films and three" comparable figures should be all words or all numbers.
 * "It was Kubrick's last film that he did not also write" the table seems to imply he was a writer on Lolita but just not credited.
 * "2001 garnered ..." we're encouraged to avoid starting sentences with a numeral...
 * You mention Vladimir Nabokov but not Anthony Burgess?
 * Good point. ~ HAL  333  18:00, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The lead talks about critics but doesn't seem to relate to Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic, I mean for example FMJ which is pretty iconic, and that's related in the second table but not mentioned at all in the lead.
 * Check references for those which require subscriptions (e.g. the NYT) which need  adding to the cite template.
 * Ref 5 -> "The" Independent.
 * Ref 54, The Guardian is a work.
 * Not sure what's happening. It's a work in the code, but isn't italicized. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ~ HAL  333  04:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There was an errant apostrophe in the title, I fixed it. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 10:21, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Why is "British filmographies" a category?
 * From my understanding, some of the editors at Stanley Kubrick insist that he is British and the category was an addition done years back. Although born American, Kubrick moved to a country estate in the UK, where he made the rest of his films. I'm largely indifferent to the issue, but I'm fine removing it if you find it inappropriate. ~ HAL  333  04:08, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's just that there's a category here that isn't reflected or mentioned in the article at all. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 10:21, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Removed. ~ HAL  333  17:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!&#33;!&#33;) 22:09, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the comments. ~ HAL  333  18:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Source review – Pass
Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 03:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Formatting
 * Shouldn't it be |url-access=registration for the NYT?
 * it's missing for ref 50 as well
 * ref 56 doesn't have Ebert listed as the author link the others


 * Reliability
 * no doubts here, all reputable news sources


 * Verifiability
 * the link for ref 43 seems to be broken Aza24 (talk) 03:40, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the source review, Aza. ~ HAL  333  22:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 02:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Support: Most of my other concerns were raised up by SNUGGUMS. Well done.
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 08:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I decided to be bold and move this nomination page to match the main article's name since that got retitled before the FLC concluded. Apologies for any inconvenience, but I thought it would be easier to have the titles be consistent. Now to assess the list's content:
 * It concerns me how File:KubrickForLook.jpg lacks a source URL. Having one would make it easier to verify that was properly licensed.
 * The two uploaders are gone (MIA since 2015 and blocked). Left a note on the Kubrick talkpage. ~ HAL  333  16:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's quite unfortunate :/. If I do come across something, then I might go ahead and add a link myself. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Not convinced it's appropriate to include clips here like File:Fear and Desire (1953).webm, regardless of copyright status. That above all else seems decorative.
 * Readers come to this page for information about his films. If having one of his full early movies helps someone, why not? It doesn't detract from the article imo. ~ HAL  333  16:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, this isn't a very common practice for filmography pages, and such clips more often tend to be found in individual movie pages. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 18:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Since this is already available on his main biography, I removed it. ~ HAL  333  19:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Similarly, I'd remove the posters File:Paths of Glory (1957 poster).jpg, File:Lolita (1962 film poster).jpg, and File:Clockwork Orange Trailer poster.png, which should be saved for their respective film articles.
 * I'm kind of a big fan of those... ~ HAL  333  16:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * What do they add to this page besides decoration, though? At least they're not copyrighted. I would certainly oppose using non-free images when free ones are available. SNUGGUMS (talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 18:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Razzie Award" should read "Golden Raspberry Award"
 * When Kubrick (as far as I know) wasn't credited as a writer, director, or producer for A.I. Artificial Intelligence, maybe it shouldn't even be mentioned in the prose
 * The film was drafted and produced (Kubrick's company) by and dedicated to Kubrick. I also just think it's an important, albeit posthumous, event of Kubrick's career. ~ HAL  333  16:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think there should be a referral note linking to List of accolades received by Stanley Kubrick under "Critical response" when reviews and accolades are separate matters. It seems better for the "See also" section.
 * Ref#8 is missing its "y" from "Film Quarterly"
 * Don't italicize RogerEbert.com, Golden Globe Awards, Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, BAFTA, Directors Guild of America, BBC, The Criterion Collection, Turner Classic Movies, Rotten Tomatoes, or Metacritic
 * I wasn't able to fix the "Golden Globe Awards" one... ~ HAL  333  16:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * To avoid italics, you can move text to "publisher" field or bypass the ones "work" generates by adding such code to it. I've done the latter here for you to demonstrate an example. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 18:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You learn something new everyday. ~ HAL  333  19:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * That's all from me. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 00:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Everything else addressed. I appreciate the comments. ~ HAL  333  16:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :). The main qualm I still have is with his portrait. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 18:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's annoying: Kubrick was very camera-shy and, as a result, Commons' images of him are sparse. I actually tried to replace that image on Kubrick's bio with one from later life. The discussion was quite contentious and went nowhere. ~ HAL  333  19:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As long as that other pic you mentioned is properly licensed and has some link to help verify authenticity/copyright details, I would have no objections to using it here. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 20:56, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * got it deleted, but there are a few others at Commons. Are any of those viable? ~ HAL  333  22:54, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Your best bet would be File:Stanley Kubrick in Dr. Strangelove Trailer (4) Cropped.jpg. I've checked the trailer it says this shot comes from, and that thankfully contains it. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 23:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ~ HAL  333  23:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

You now have my support following sufficient changes. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Quick drive-by comments from Sdkb
 * Two quick comments on the external links section: I think it's just "Rotten Tomatoes", not "the Rotten Tomatoes".
 * Done. ~ HAL  333  15:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * It'd be nice to have some indication of who designed the kubrick.life site, rather than just having a bare link.
 * It seems to have been created by no one of note. I added "educational site" as I figure the names wouldn't have been of much help. ~ HAL  333  15:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

&#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 01:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Promoting. -- Pres N  19:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


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