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 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by SchroCat 16:03, 22 October 2014.

Timeline of Briarcliff Manor

 * Nominator(s):  ɱ    (talk)  20:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Briarcliff Manor is a small village in the New York suburbs. It has plenty of interesting history and quite a few notable residents. The village also has a number of parks and historic buildings.

After working on the main municipality article, I decided to arrange village events into a clear timeline, which I just finished. I hope it meets all of your standards. ɱ    (talk)  20:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment from Jimknut
If you want a box around the timeline then go to the top and add "class="wikitable"" in front of "align="right"". Jimknut (talk) 19:15, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment – One thing that jumped out at me was the size of the lead, which is rather small for an FL these days. I'd expect to see a lead twice this size for a list of this length, and there are certainly enough interesting facts presented to be able to add to what's there now. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 00:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Many leads serve a purpose of general information about the topic, although that's already heavily covered in Briarcliff Manor and History of Briarcliff Manor, so much that I thought writing any more in this lead would seem redundant, and just another re-hash of the same information. The lead size issue is just a guideline, and if there's not enough fresh information to fill it out, we shouldn't just throw in whatever to fill that gap.-- ɱ    (talk)  00:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Comments by URDNEXT
Support as per comments below. I also provided feedback for the main article's FAC, if any administrators are wondering.


 * Congregation Sons of Israel is formed by eleven men in Ossining - I think you should change men to people.
 * I normally agree, although the source said "men" specifically. It was a congregation of and for men, formed by men. Putting 'people' just makes it less specific and removes detail, and why?-- ɱ    (talk)  23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Elliott Fitch Shepard's masnion Woodlea is completed. - Big typo here.
 * That's really not so big. Fixed.-- ɱ    (talk)  23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The first twenty-nine street lights, all electric, are installed - Something off with this line. I'm not sure what.
 * You've got to be more specific on how you think it should be changed. I can't read your mind; the line seems perfectly fine to me...-- ɱ    (talk)  23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * After Hurricane Irene, a sinkhole about 20 feet in diameter forma on North State Road in front of a gas station and repair shop, and New York's department of transportation spends about $900,000 repairing the damage. - Needs copy editing.
 * How, where, and why? This seems fine to me too, what's off with this?-- ɱ    (talk)  23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Too big. URDNEXT (talk) 23:20, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * As in 'too much information', or 'not worded concisely enough'?-- ɱ    (talk)  23:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Not worded concisely enough. URDNEXT (talk) 23:52, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * done, I don't know how much shorter it can be now.-- ɱ    (talk)  00:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

That's what I'm talking about,. I personally think the article is good enough to pass. URDNEXT (talk) 00:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * During the week of October 14, the petition is filed with the town of Ossining and the village of Briarcliff Manor. - You should make it clear what the petition is for.
 * I talk about the petition in the sentence above. Not every bullet has to be independently understandable. With that logic, I would be linking every instance of Briarcliff Manor and Briarcliff Manor Fire Department throughout the whole article.-- ɱ    (talk)  23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * For some reason, peobaly the huge images on the side, makes the lead look to tiny and confined. I think you should put that big one somewhere else in the article.
 * I had it that way before; the above reviewer wanted it at the top. I can't please both of you...-- ɱ    (talk)  23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Hope this passes. URDNEXT (talk) 20:20, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks!-- ɱ    (talk)  23:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm trying my best, but there aren't a lot of things wrong with the article. URDNEXT (talk) 23:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well that's good, thank you.-- ɱ    (talk)  00:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment from Epicgenius
Support – this seems like a pretty qualified list, though I will add more comments in the next 2 days. For now, it seems pretty well laid out.

One question, though; wouldn't the timeline in the lede look better if it were to the right of the census data? It may be a stylistic preference, however. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, although I'm not sure if it's technically possible. And the other two reviewers also had other ideas about its placement; I'm not sure what would be best, but it's such a minor issue that I think any or all of the options presented are fine. Thanks for the general compliments.-- ɱ    (talk)  01:18, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Only one other issue — the statement "Rosemont, a Scarborough Historic District property, is demolished" is unsourced and there's no exact year. Otherwise, perfect. Looks like I don't have to wait until tomorrow to do the review at all. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:44, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me. I knew it had been demolished based on what the historical society had said, and since it's one of seven properties in the district, that it was important to note. I later asked one of the society members, who directed me to a more concrete answer and source. I'll fix that momentarily.-- ɱ    (talk)  01:51, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * All good to go. – Epicgenius (talk) 02:05, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Support
 * "The following is a timeline" is the cousin of "This is a list", and shouldn't be used. The reader knows it's a timeline- it's the first word in the title. I'd start the list off the same way the history of article starts- "The history of Briarcliff Manor, a village in the county of Westchester, New York, can be traced back to the founding of a settlement between the Hudson and Pocantico Rivers in the 19th century."
 * In its defense, that wording was taken from a very detailed and well-made municipality timeline. Regardless, I agree with you, I've changed it.-- ɱ    (talk)  17:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer if the war points (e.g. "World War I") had dates like the other ones- so, "1914–1918 (World War I)"
 * Good idea, done.-- ɱ    (talk)  17:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Briarcliff Manor is redirecting, in the lead
 * I am familiar with three guidelines that support using redirects over piped links, so unless there's something I've missed, shouldn't the redirect be preferred?-- ɱ    (talk)  17:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * "the house of Elliott Fitch Shepard is purchased" - you've linked him earlier, and you should probably mention that the house is Woodlea again.
 * Good catch, fixed.-- ɱ    (talk)  17:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe add the annexation of Scarborough to the timeline bar, since you spend so much of the timeline on Scarborough pre-annexation. Maybe Mount Pleasant as well, since there's a gap there
 * I'll try it, but unfortunately that timeline template isn't so good, the 1906 annexation will likely be messily written over the text of the 1902 and 1908 info.-- ɱ    (talk)  17:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I feel like the lead could be a touch longer- maybe mention what size it is now, since you say it started at 1 sq mi, or what the population is/was.
 * Another good idea.-- ɱ    (talk)  17:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * While certainly optional, if you felt this review was helpful, consider reviewing List of Sega video game consoles further up the FLC page.
 * Sure, I'll take a look at it, although it might not be for a few days.-- ɱ    (talk)  17:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * -- Pres N  22:34, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Switched to support. -- Pres N  21:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks PresN. I'll make sure to write some comments on the Sega review.-- ɱ    (talk)  23:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * – SchroCat (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


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