Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Manchester United F.C. players/archive1


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by Dabomb87 21:48, 14 April 2010.

List of Manchester United F.C. players
Notified: User:PeeJay2K3, WP:FOOTBALL

I fell across this list on some research, it doesn't have: Sandman888 (talk) 09:34, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sources
 * A sortable table
 * Captain section need emdashes
 * Inclusion criteria is not stringent as players with 'a notable contribution' are also included, but nowhere is it explained what that is.


 * Keep I see no major flaws here. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Why don't we create List of Manchester United F.C. players (25-49 appearances) and List of Manchester United F.C. players (fewer than 25 appearances), as ChrisTheDude has done for Gillingham, and expand the main list to players with more than 50 appearances. This would allow Tevez etc. to be included. The two clubs have been established for a similar period of time. 03  md  23:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll do some digging to find out how many players would be on each page. If there's too many in one of the lists, the boundaries may need to be changed. – PeeJay 00:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As a United fan I'd be happy to help you. If these lists can be notable for Gillingham and be promoted to FL recently then there should certainly be similar for United. 03  md  17:48, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm quite busy with re-writing Malcolm Glazer ownership of Manchester United, so if you could compile a list of the numbers of players in each boundary, that would be very helpful! – PeeJay 18:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments on sourcing
 * Personally, I'd have been happy with a general reference to the player menu page at StretfordEnd.co.uk, with specific refs only where their StretfordEnd stats differed from the list. I'm seriously impressed that you've referenced every row. I might have argued against that being necessary, by analogy with FLs not being expected to supply individual page numbers for stats from a book source. However, you do still need refs for early players' appearances in matches not covered by their StretfordEnd page.
 * I assume you're talking specifically about the entries for Alf Farman and Willie Stewart (there may be more, I just haven't found them yet). I'll try to corroborate the figures given in the list with my copy of "The Definitive Newton Heath". – PeeJay 22:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You've presumably now gone along with the club's view that appearances in the Football Alliance were not 'competitive'? I have no problem with that, but just to satisfy my own curiosity, do you happen to know why the club takes that view? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I have no idea. I do have a reference for the club's line-ups in Football Alliance matches, so I could have worked out which other players made more than 100 appearances with that competition included, but it would have been quite a lot of work and I didn't fancy risking someone pulling me up on the grounds of original research. – PeeJay 18:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you're probably right. StretfordEnd have all the apps and goals by season, but they don't count them in the totals on the player pages. The Birmingham player list was sourced from the "Complete Record" book, where each player's total of appearances included the Football Alliance apps, except for a few where it didn't, which was terminally unhelpful..... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Captains list needs some sort of general ref, and those individual notes not ref'd by the list itself (e.g. Keane's most trophies, Byrne's death...) need sources. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 22:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just waiting to hear back from the curator of the Man Utd museum. I'm hoping to get my hands on copies of information sheets produced by the club that I will hopefully be able to use to reference the captains. – PeeJay 22:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now received copies of the club's information sheets and used them to fill out the Captains section. – PeeJay 21:29, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Captain section could use a lead to provide background information
 * Done.
 * Key - what's a utility player?
 * I have added a note to the article.
 * It's plain games and goals, it would be nice to have information on records and so on; just like there's a notes column for the Captains Sandman888 (talk) 12:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * For records, we already have List of Manchester United F.C. records and statistics. – PeeJay 21:29, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment


 * One thing I spotted in the captains section... although I appreciate the point being made (that Gary Neville is a local lad and that this is now a rare thing), Greater Manchester did not exist when Dennis Viollet was born, or indeed when he played, so is it a valid comparison to make? --Jameboy (talk) 01:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Greater Manchester may not have existed back when Viollet was playing, but I do believe that the comparison is valid. However, the wording could possibly be improved. Does anyone have any suggestions? – PeeJay 21:29, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * When I looked at where all the captains were born, there were actually surprisingly few from the area now called Greater Manchester, so I don't think it is that significant. Therefore my only suggestion would be to remove the text in question. --Jameboy (talk) 14:47, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Keep - nice job. I'd prefer I've you moved the Captain source down under references, it wd make it clearer, e.g.: [ref] Sandman888 (talk) 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It is still unclear what is the source in the Captain section. Otherwise a good job. Sandman888 (talk) 08:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The source is an official information sheet created and provided by the Manchester United Museum. – PeeJay 09:37, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Are the notes section also referenced there? Sandman888 (talk) 10:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, good point. For the notes that are not based on simple arithmetic, I will try to find references. – PeeJay 12:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What's the status on this? Dabomb87 (talk) 05:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please accept my apologies, I'd forgotten about this. Sort of in the middle of a drive to get Manchester United F.C. to FA status, so my attentions were elsewhere. Anyway, I've now referenced all of the statements that seemed to require it. – PeeJay 14:47, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Club captains
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