Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/1683 Wards of New York City

1683 Wards of New York City
Voting period ends on 20 Apr 2020  at 00:26:17 (UTC)
 * Reason:New York City was divided into wards between 1683 and 1938. Originally named like the wards in London, they were numbered beginning in 1791. Here is an SVG map of the ward boundaries and names in 1683 (courtesy of Stone 1872 p. 115) with the modern Manhattan shoreline included. The "Out" Ward included all the rest of Manhattan.
 * Articles in which this image appears:Wards of New York City
 * FP category for this image:Maps
 * Creator:John M Wolfson


 * Support as nominator – – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This does not strike me as an image that "is among the best examples of a given subject that the encyclopedia has to offer". It does not compare well with other FPs of maps. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * While there are numerous maps of New York City wards from the 19th century, and even one I found with wards dating to 1705, there aren't that many high-quality maps of the wards from the 17th century, much less ones that include the modern shoreline and are SVG. I apologize if I misunderstand, but this appears to be the highest-quality rendition of the subject I can find. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 07:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Per Josh. Just too basic for Main Page promotion. – Sca (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Compare the featured picture on the right of the same place at around the same time. I think you'll agree it presents old Manhattan in a much more compelling way. -- Veggies (talk) 23:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, the topic of the picture are the wards of the time which are absent from that image. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:53, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Then, to be even more frank: wasn't New York City made up of more than six wards? The article itself says that it had more than 30 when the system was abolished. I don't see how your nom illustrates this in a way that a reader can fully comprehend the topic. It isn't the Wards of NYC in the 17th century article. -- Veggies (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment – John, I think there is room for improvement. At first I thought there was a large distance between the populated areas (the wards) and the shoreline, so moving the pink line in or the wards out would be an improvement. Also as a standalone image, adding more text to the image would make it clear what the illustration is, such as "Manhattan" (or lower Manhattan), year "1683", and "Wards". Just my two cents. Bammesk (talk) 20:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - you cite this to Stone (1872) page 115 - looking at that page, I see a text description of the wards, by street names. Does that mean you've drawn this yourself, based on a map which showed those streets? If so, including the streets and other landmarks on the map would improve it, I think - at the moment it's just some shapes, I think to really be helpful to understanding it would also show at least one of what was in each ward then; and what those areas correspond to now. TSP (talk) 15:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

--Armbrust The Homunculus 02:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)