Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/STS-1 Crew

STS-1 Crews
Voting period ends on 22 Oct 2012 at 02:14:30 (UTC)
 * Reason:Good image of the STS-1 crew members, has a free license, large
 * Articles in which this image appears:STS-1
 * FP category for this image:Featured pictures/People/Others
 * Creator:NASA


 * Support as nominator -- Mediran talk 02:14, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose While this image has EV and was competently executed by the photographer, the composition is awfully cheesy, even within this genre. Nick-D (talk) 22:41, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support EV is more important than aesthetics. This photo has good EV for the article, STS-1 has historic significance for NASA, and this is the only photo in this article showing the two crew members together from the front. --Pine✉ 08:50, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but I personally think that the cheesy grins and stilted pose mean that this falls well short of being an example of the best photographs included in articles. Nick-D (talk) 09:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't like this photo any more than I liked this painting but my sense of aesthetics may not be what people considered aesthetic in 1979 or 1634. I think of aesthetics as a bonus. EV and technical quality seem more important according to the Featured Picture Criteria which says "A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing; it might be shocking, impressive, or just highly informative. Highly graphic, historical and otherwise unique images may not have to be classically beautiful at all." I think we can make a strong argument that this photo isn't "among Wikipedia's best work" aesthetically, but in terms of EV and historic value, I think this photo qualifies for FP. --Pine✉ 11:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Pine's criteria here about this being the only shot of Young and Crippen together from the front would (theoretically at least) mean to a precedent that 'rarity value' can be argued for just about anything. Anyway, there's no shortage of good quality STS-1 shots and some are exceptional: this standard NASA publicity still doesn't have FP value. Plutonium27 (talk) 00:37, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The Featured Picture Criteria discusses rarity value in several places. This sentence seems especially relevant: "Highly graphic, historical and otherwise unique images may not have to be classically beautiful at all." This isn't to say that uniqueness alone qualifies something for FP, but rarity value is well worth considering in combination with EV and other FP criteria. Regarding the other STS-1 photos, do we have a different photo of the crew members that's of FP quality? The only other photos of crew in the article that I see are File:Columbia.sts-1.egress.triddle.jpg and File:Columba.sts-1.training.triddle.jpg which aren't FP quality in my opinion. It seems to me that the photo nominated here is the only photo of the STS-1 crew that's within reach of the FP criteria. --Pine✉ 07:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

--Makeemlighter (talk) 01:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)