Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Chicago


 * The following is an archived discussion of a featured portal candidate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the portal's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured portal candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The portal was promoted by User:Giggy 06:12, 5 July 2008.

Portal:Chicago
User:Cirt and I have continued the work of other wikipedians and cleaned up this page. He did most of the automated randomization (although I added the randomized quote section). We have had some debate on the talk page about the main image for the Portal introduction and the length of its text. I am willing to modify either of these, but like what I am presenting.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC) Great work; the portal's very informative. A few comments —
 * Comments
 * 1) I still think the Intro text is way way too big/long, I think had already brought this up as well.  Cirt (talk) 22:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Houston, Texas is the fourth largest city in the country and Chicago, Illinois is third. I would expect Chicago would have just a little bit more to say than Houston and Portal:Chicago does not look that much longer than Portal:Houston.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Compared to other WP:FPORTs and per this comment from . But hopefully others will comment on this as well. Personally I like the Randomized-Intro format used at WP:FPORTs like Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro. Cirt (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have shortened it even more, but I think our project is doing a little better than most on figuring out what things are important to it and thus may have more to say.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Still looks a bit long to me, and I still think all those images mashed together in the right corner looks unseemly. Cirt (talk) 13:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have shortened it some more. It is about 8% smaller than the last time you said it was still too long. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have shortened it some more. It is over 10% smaller than the last time you said it was still too long.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:22, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) The multiple pictures at the Intro page (in my opinion but I would like to see what other WP:FPOC regulars think please) could be randomized and looks cluttered all bunched together like that in a box. Cirt (talk) 22:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought we settled that on the talk page. If we must make a change, my choice is visible there as well.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I stand by my opinion on this. Hopefully others will provide some feedback. Cirt (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Something is messed up with the overall width of the portal, it goes off my screen. Could be the Related portals section, which probably needs to be smaller, and in more rows. Cirt (talk) 22:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a third row.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good - though I notice some images need to be addressed. Cirt (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you do for Portals with no representative image?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Surely there is a state flag or city flag or free use map or something that could be used. Cirt (talk) 13:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They have them (Image:Cumberlandmdseal 2006.jpg and Image:Seal of Austin, TX.gif), but the bots are WP:NFCCing me.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The bots just erased two more.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Selected quotes section is a bit large and unwieldy, try modeling after Portal:Criminal justice instead. Cirt (talk) 22:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That is an easy change to make, but right now the left right balance seems to be pretty good as it is with it on the right partition. If I removed it and put it at the bottom the right side would be a little short on my preferred screen resolution.  What resolution are you using?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant more stylistically. Also, generally the selected quotes section is better off at the bottom at 100% spacing, so as to have less variability in each randomization. Cirt (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If we move quotes out to the bottom then we have to add Portal:Chicago/Selected list back in for left-right balance.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, there are much easier ways to achieve balance, like simply moving a couple subsections around. But I will leave that decision up to you, personally I think the quote sections generally are better at the bottom, though not always. Cirt (talk) 13:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) "Chicago has seen illegal corruption of Al Capone and the Cook County Democratic Organization run by Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley." did you intend to call the Mayor corrupt? It doesn't seem supported in his article. Rmhermen (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * How is that?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * 1) Right now, Related portals has this image twice.
 * 2) *I could actually use some advice on this because I want to use all city Portals, but two don't have appropriate images. Maybe I should just use USA and Illiois.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **For now, I just removed the problem images.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Alright. Some images would be nice, but I realize that the city's flags are non-free. [ sd ] 16:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) The box's headers aren't uniform throughout the portal. For example, Selected article and Topics are italicized, while Selected landmark and News are not.
 * 6) *How is that?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) **I see that it has been fixed. ✅ Done. [ sd ] 16:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) In Things you can do, I'd suggest commenting Peer Review out while there's nothing to do there.  →.
 * 9) *Updated.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) The Selected landmarks box has both ...Archive/Nominations More... and Suggest • More landmarks... I would suggest deleted Suggest • More landmarks... and just using ...Archive/Nominations More... as the other Selected boxes do.
 * 11) *The code has me baffled. I thought this would do the trick, but apparently not.  User:Cirt probably knows what is going on?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) **Fixed. ✅ Done. [ sd ] 16:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) The article names in selected articles 57 and 58 (e.g. Northern Illinois University shooting → Northern Illinois University shooting) need to be linked.
 * 14) *I got those and updated with 2 more articles, 2 more biographies and 1 more landmark from WP:CHIGA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) Some of the Selected Biographies have dates of birth (and death), but most do not. Also, some had born while others have just b. Please make them uniform; the easiest way is to not have those dates for all the biographies.
 * 16) *done.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) More Selected Quotes are needed — at least ten.
 * 18) *added some.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) Both the Quote and Selected landmark pages have Selected biographies list, which should be changed to Selected quotes list and Selected landmarks list, respectively.
 * 20) *I am not sure what you are saying.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) **I apologize for being unclear. Fixed. ✅ Done. [ sd ] 16:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) In the quotes, I think "-Mark Twain should be changed to something like " — Mark Twain. But maybe that's just my preference. :) On a side note, I like the panorama here! Best regards, [ sd ] 12:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) *italicized.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Balance out the page content so that there's minimal space between left and right panel. OhanaUnitedTalk page 20:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply I am not sure what your comment is. There are many randomized sections.  They each have variation in length.  Most of the time when I refresh the left and right side are about the same length.  Are you suggesting that they always have to be the same length? Refresh four or five times and tell me what you see.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. OhanaUnitedTalk page 15:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not clear to me what fair enough means. To get your support do I have to go through Portal:Chicago/Selected biography, Portal:Chicago/Selected article, and Portal:Chicago/Selected landmark and make them all the same size or does fair enough mean you did not realize what the problem was and it is O.K. to leave it alone?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems that the variation is no different than several of the WP:FPOs that use randomization to select content such as Portal:Norway/Selected article, Portal:The Simpsons/Selected episode, and Portal:Television/Selected biography.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support: My comments above were fixed in a timely fashion. Regards, [ sd ] 16:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

—Giggy 06:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.