Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop/Archive/Sep 2013

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Moved extended discussion from User talk:Begoon
Thank you for removing the watermarks. You really saved me... I spent hours searching how can I remove them. Anyway, there are a lot of other images that have the same watermark and since the Graphics Lab/Photography workshop doesn't allow a lot of pictures to be put on the list, I listed only four of them. What should I do about the others? My love is love (talk) 15:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * They are quite tricky because of the way they are placed, and the nature of some of the low-res images. Are you going to use them in articles? You could tag them with but I don't know how quick that would be. That relies on some kind soul coming along to do them. How many is "a lot?"  Begoon &thinsp; talk  16:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm going to use them. Maybe about 20. My love is love (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, provided they are going to be used in articles, we can put them through the Graphics Lab/Photography workshop/Eight Requests which would probably get them done in a week to 10 days or so (it varies, and we can have more than 8 requests at a time). How does that sound?
 * If any are urgent I can't see the harm in sticking another batch of 4 you want to use in articles right away in the main workshop.


 * I'll move this to the workshop, because more graphists might get interested and they won't see it on my talk page. Begoon &thinsp; talk  17:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Regarding watermarked images... tag all that are watermarked with. If it's an attribution watermark, when the watermark is removed, change the tag to. You may request any number of images here... there is no limit. However, I would advise only requesting those images that are likely to actually be used in the near future, because if you request an excessive number for no good reason, you might find that no one bothers with your request. – JBarta (talk) 17:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Story
Article(s): Joseph Story, Origination Clause Request:
 * Hi. I am looking for an image of Story to put into the article about the Origination Clause, so I would be happy to not alter this scratchy image at the Joseph Story article unless you would like to. For the Origination Clause article, how about a narrower head shot, all cleaned up?  Thanks.-- Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Well, there's a crop for you. It's not the greatest and a better restoration can be had, (my skills and patience have limits) but hopefully that will suit your purposes. – JBarta (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's excellent, thanks. Incidentally, I came across an image that seems to be a portrait based on the Daguerreotype (above) but I'd rather use the Daguerreotype, and will go install it now.  Best Regards, Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:54, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I noticed that portrait and wikilinked the images together. I tried to find a bigger version but had no luck. – JBarta (talk) 20:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice work finding a higher quality painting. I guess the painting itself is at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.  Maybe they don't realize it was a derivative of the photo.  I think much of the nuance in the photo is lost in the painting.Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:09, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This is not really what you would think of as a portrait painting but is instead a watercolor on ivory miniature which at 8.25 x 10.16 cm (3 1/4 x 4 in) is actually significantly smaller than would be the original half plate daguerreotype (4-1/4 x 5-1/2 in) itself. Centpacrr (talk) 23:37, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the interesting info, Centpacrr.Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome Anythingyouwant. I'm quite sure this 1846 posthumus portraiture (Justice Story died in 1845) is based on the original Brady DG, but because of the nature of the medium Clark chose (watercolor on ivory) and its size it would be virtually impossible to match the detail of the original photographic image nor, would I expect, was that his intention. Also Clark might have never seen the original image but may instead have made this rendering from a published engraving of it. Centpacrr (talk) 01:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour
Article(s): The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour Request:
 * Can someone please remove the watermarks from these pictures? My love is love (talk) 18:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * We've done 9 of this set for you already, and as far as I can see, you are using 3 of those in articles. Are the 3 in this request for use in the article now in preference to the other 6 which are already done and are not yet used? Begoon &thinsp; talk  02:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually all of the files will be used in the articles. I was waiting for all of the images to be fixed so I could put them in the articles, but I will start adding them today. My love is love (talk) 13:44, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done 2 of them - I'll try and fit the other one in tomorrow if I get time, and nobody else has done it in the meantime. With the second one I truly can't see what's going on behind that watermark with the frilly bit, so I did the best I could - someone may be able to do better. Begoon &thinsp; talk  23:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ - 3rd one done. Begoon &thinsp; talk  09:40, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

the Kinks
Article(s): the Kinks Request:
 * De-kink... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Greyscale, cleanup, reduced warping at wall, avoided temptation to de-kink by removing bandmembers. ✅
 * Greyscale, cleanup, reduced warping at wall, avoided temptation to de-kink by removing bandmembers. ✅


 * LOL, thanks, and thanks for the laugh!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 00:54, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

John J. Gilligan
Article(s): John J. Gilligan Request:
 * Convert to grayscale. Thanks! – Connormah (talk) 19:33, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):


 * Great, thanks! – Connormah (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

IMR "Western Australian" 2-8-4T
Article(s): CSAR Class C 2-8-4T Request:
 * Please lighten the right half of the picture to the same lightness level as the left. In other words, please remove the "shadow" on the right half of the picture. -- André Kritzinger (talk) 22:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): Adjusted gamma, evened toning, and did other general cleanup. (Let me know if you would like this to be B/W or left as sepia.) Centpacrr (talk) 23:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thank you! And sepia looks good on old loco pictures. André Kritzinger (talk) 00:39, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Cheers season 5.png
Article(s): Cheers (season 5) Request:
 * Per WP:image use policy, a photo of the DVD case must be JPEG. I couldn't find a way to properly make a good JPEG copy. When I tried, the background is messed up. -- George Ho (talk) 15:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * There's nothing wrong with the png. You're taking WP:IUP far too literally. We also use common sense. Thousands of images here and at Commons use png for transparency in this way - you can't have transparency in a jpeg - that's why you get problems converting it like you tried. It's fine as it is. Also, you could have just asked me, you know.  Begoon &thinsp; talk  16:04, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You can't ignore policy per WP:POLICY, and that isn't even a guideline. And you can't consider it resolved. --George Ho (talk) 16:25, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've removed the resolved tag, as is our practice when the requester is not happy. I've talked enough about this now, here and elsewhere. You are being far too literal and pedantic. That's all. I have tried to explain, and I would have thought our history together would mean you'd be able to listen a little more and react a little less - but I guess you have a bee in your bonnet about this, so I'll leave you to it. The png is fine, though - for all the reasons I've tried to explain. We don't change best practice to fit overly literal interpretations of a policy that I've never seen interpreted in that way before. We change the wording of the policy if we think it's necessary to prevent silly conversations like this. That's it from me. Begoon &thinsp; talk  17:00, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Just in case, for admins: file:Cheers season 5.jpg. --George Ho (talk) 22:18, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I uploaded a jpeg version at that location, because that's what you requested, and at the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think. Do your own paperwork with regards to non-free rationales and deletions, and mark this as resolved if you're happy. What a total waste of time and effort. Ah, well. Begoon &thinsp; talk  07:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Replaced PNG with JPEG. --George Ho (talk) 16:36, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * And I've cleaned up and marked the file you orphaned in the process for deletion. I also fixed the file description on the jpeg. Any more time we can waste for you on this, or could you now mark it as resolved? Thanks. Begoon &thinsp; talk  06:18, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

This is a photo, not a logo. JPEG is encouraged for non-software screenshots and photos. PNG/SVG/GIF is fine for illustrations and software screenshots. --George Ho (talk) 06:21, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Please don't thank us. Begoon &thinsp; talk  06:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm surprised that with all this twitching about png vs jpg no one has seen fit to straighten out all the crooked Cheers covers. Everyone is arguing over which color the turd should be and no one is addressing the fact it's a turd. George Ho, you want to do something actually useful here? Get the covers straightened out and properly cropped and don't worry so much about what format they are in. – JBarta (talk) 09:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Highway 16 and Mount Robson
Article(s): British Columbia Highway 16

Request:
 * Hi! Could you please rotate the image a smidge so that the road bed is parallel with the horizon? Thanks, -- Diannaa (talk) 22:09, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ – JBarta (talk) 22:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * good result - thanks, --Diannaa (talk) 22:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

"Family Ties" logo
Article(s): Family Ties Request:
 * Must need stand-alone logo. Either from that image or other image: -- George Ho (talk) 04:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - File:Family Ties title.svg Begoon &thinsp; talk  08:38, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent work. But, check the T in "Ties". – JBarta (talk) 17:03, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, the whole thing was a bit wonky where they'd stretched and twisted the font (Tango BT) in odd ways I didn't notice. It's as close as I want to get it now, but feel free to play with it... Begoon &thinsp; talk  18:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah..., I see what you mean, I must be going blind. That funny "corner" path error in the "T". Not in my original working file, so I missed it - must have been the "scour" extension in Inkscape (when you save as "optimised svg"). Fixed now, at the cost of slightly bigger file. Begoon &thinsp; talk  06:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Perfect. – JBarta (talk) 07:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah - came out pretty well. Shame one can't say the same for the show, really, should have been good with the cast, but I always failed to laugh much... Ah, well, maybe we ex-pat Brits just don't get the sophisticated humour. Begoon &thinsp; talk  16:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Replaced title card with logo. --George Ho (talk) 15:38, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Did you just do that so you can include the "cast" image and still only have one non-free pic in the article? Begoon &thinsp; talk  16:07, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There are so many opening titles. There are "literally" two cast photos. Most adequate would be scenes and promo photos from season five to seven, literally because of the addition of the little boy. The title card came from season one; the other cast photo is replaced by another photo that may have minimal or no risks of replacing commercial value. --George Ho (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not saying I disagree with it, it might be a reasonable thing to do. JBarta made a reasonable point concerning the "Lucy" image he created for you not being superior to the screenshot, and maybe that's the sort of thing that needs consideration, too. It's up to editors at the article in the end whether this image is an improvement, or as good as, the screenshot. You'd have to have that discussion elsewhere, I guess. Begoon &thinsp; talk  17:31, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Carole Lombard
Article(s): Carole Lombard Request:
 * Removal of watermarks/tags on images 1 and 2, and a general clean-up of all images to improve appearance - anything you think would be good (and I'd like #2 to lose the sepia look). Huge thanks in advance! --  Lobo (talk) 20:43, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): I have fixed images 2 & 3, but after working for a couple of hours on image 1 I have come to the conclusion that the large deficit across Fred McMurray's face and collar area are so extensive as to not be sufficiently digitally repairable to make a usable image. I have searched through dozens of other images from this movie available online and only found two very small colorized cropped ones of this view which is used on the Universal Vault Series DVD but these are not big enough to be used to fix it. There are a number of other similar (but not the same) posed images used in a poster for the film that may be suitable as a substitute for this one. Anyone else who wants to take a shot at the damaged ebay is welcome to. Centpacrr (talk) 03:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fine, thank you for trying! Doing a quick google search, there's actually quite a few good stills from one of their other films, True Confession, which I'm sure are out of copyright. Not all the images will be used right away, I need to start a rewrite of the article first, but I promise they will be eventually. Great job, cheers!


 * Found a non-watermarked copy of #1. – JBarta (talk) 08:40, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh good job! You must have some super googling skills :)  Lobo (talk) 18:48, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Good spot JBarta. I failed to find it after several long Google image search sessions. Centpacrr (talk) 00:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Haile Selassie
Article(s): Haile Selassie Request:
 * Please clean and denoise... -- KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:02, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * First I reduced the size. It was HUGE... which is great for a highly detailed image, but in this image the only fine detail was the halftone pattern. I reduced to about 1/3 it's original size... which is plenty for this image. Got rid of the halftone pattern, grayscaled and did a little assorted cleanup. Hopefully that's what you were after. – JBarta (talk) 05:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Hayley Kiyoko
Article(s): Hayley Kiyoko Request:
 * fix brightness in face... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:17, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Uploaded an edit. This was surprisingly difficult... getting rid of the nearly blown areas of her face without making her a freakish mottled mess. Others are of course welcome to give it a shot as well. – JBarta (talk) 14:51, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That's much better, thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:04, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Andranik-2
Article(s): Andranik Ozanian Request: 2) If possible, please remove the line (or whatever that is) from the middle and improve the image. -- Ե րևանցի  talk  01:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Please remove the text from the lower right corner and upload that version. And then please enhance the image and upload it.

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Done #1. – JBarta (talk) 01:28, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Beautiful! -- Ե րևանցի talk  04:12, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Repaired fold, adjust gamma and color issues, and restored Image #2. Centpacrr (talk) 07:34, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm speechless. It turned out just great. Centpacrr, thank you! -- Ե րևանցի talk  18:59, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That is pretty splendid. I might have been tempted to monochrome it to b/w, but opinions differ on that, and it looks great. Begoon &thinsp; talk  20:05, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Carlo Ederle
Article(s): Carlo Ederle Request:
 * Wikify... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ – JBarta (talk) 09:22, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Aye, that'll do nicely! At least now I am not hungry for popcorn!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:50, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Candlestick Park
Article(s): Candlestick Park Request:
 * fix panorama coloration... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:18, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Took a stab at this. It's a mediocre result, but it's probably better than nothing. – JBarta (talk) 16:34, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a clear improvement, thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Dositej Obradovic
Article(s): Dositej Obradovic Request:
 * wikify... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Regarding this one, I find "wikify" a little less obvious. Can you be more specific about what you'd like to see done? – JBarta (talk) 16:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I went and grayscaled it and evened out the background. – JBarta (talk) 22:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That's it, thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)